Thank you! Fascinating and thought provoking discussion.. David's ideas as i understand them, closely follow the teachings of Christ and Christian theology. It would probably work well to find inner peace.. From an personal perspective, a place of peace for the sake of our own wellbeing and those around us is healthy. The fact that I am a Christian also plays a role in my views. It may also help us to understand our adversary.
Their is also a place for outrage and indignation. It can be a great motivator of action in the face of fear and overwhelming odds. It is necessary to fight an adversary when you, your loved ones or your culture is threatened. Otherwise you will be swept aside like a twig in a raging river.
However, Janice makes an excellent point, this is a cultural struggle between good and evil. One of the problems we have in our society today is moral relativism. This attitude has surely caused our societal rot. Evil despots and movements wield this as an effective weapon. Margaret Thatcher had a famous quote "Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides." It leads to moral confusion and paralysis.
Our adversaries are motivated by power. They use ideological certainty and victimhood as their weapons. Playing on our emotions and inner drives that are baked into all humans. As mentioned in the article, they activate deeply held beliefs that women are weak and victims that need to be protected by society. That they have moral superiority to men. It plays on womens innate feelings of sisterhood, self-righteousness and personal power. Unfortunately creating a sense of entitlement and narcissism.
They use mens almost irresistible desire to protect women. We hear the mantra all the time about womens personal empowerment. Reinforcing some mens view of womens victimhood and the need for support. Ironically, while celebrating empowerment feminist seek to strip men of their personal power.
Its been my personal observation that liberal men are most susceptible to this. It fits well with their arrogant feelings of virtue. Some of them in the mens rights movement are doing great things for the improvement of boys/mens lives. I am grateful for this. However, it is painful to see a man pander to feminist. Regardless of the underlying purpose.
So maybe their is a place for both empathy and action using moral outrage. However, i believe at this time that more activism is called for.. I think that to overcome the issues we have discussed, it will require women to take the lead and grow the grassroots movement to the next level. Women understand and instinctively know how to socially out maneuver other women. Because they understand the tactics and general rules of the game. They can also capitalize on the same weapons the feminist use; societies empathy and desire to protect women. I greatly appreciate the women like Janice that have fought for mens rights for a long time. It must be tiring and frustrating at times.
Men of course still have their role, we can also stand shoulder to shoulder with the women who fight for mens rights and a healthier society. I think there is a quiet majority waiting for the right leadership to come along. Many see the problem but don't know what to do about it. However, people are beginning to see radical feminists for what they truly are, evil. Radical feminist are a formidable foe and dominate all aspects of our society. Its a difficult fight but necessary for the generations that follow us..
Mark, this sentence jumped out at me from your comment: "I think there is a quiet majority waiting for the right leadership to come along." I have felt this way at times, especially in Jordan Peterson lectures when I sense a vast group of people of goodwill, earnestly striving to understand and do the right thing. The right leader could indeed tap into this energy, it seems to me. But that would be a truly exceptional person, to step into that role and carry it well. Still, I hope ...
There is a blogger whose handle is "The Tin Men". You can find him on X (@TheTinMenBlog) and other platforms. He shares our frustration with lack of progress with men's rights. He comes from a marketing background and suggests we have a branding problem. An intriguing observation. I believe he is trying a new angle. I hope he finds some success.
I can't help but think about a woman approx 30 yrs ago who single-handedly created a boycott of a major corporation. It was for a commercial that showed women in a demeaning light. Then corporate lawyers and CEOs became afraid of legal and social backlash if they insulted women.
So, they started demeaning and insulting men instead. They knew that there would be little protest or lawsuits. There would be no accountability. To this day that has not changed. Unless it's about beer of course..
With Janice and others unrelenting articles and interviews; many people's perspective of feminism and men's rights are changing. People are learning about the truth. A counter to the feminist narative. It seems like acceptance of the men's rights movement has moved from the fringes to mainstream. This is progresss. As you mentioned Jordan Peterson had a role in that.
I think we need an mens rights activist group lead by someone like Bettina Arndt but in the US. Theirs a lot of downtrodden men, particularly young men, who need a purpose and want to make a positive change in men's lives. Theirs also a lot of mothers of sons, daughters of fathers and wives of husband that care about men. If we could bring these men & women together for a common cause, men's rights, it would be very powerful.
Thank you! Fascinating and thought provoking discussion.. David's ideas as i understand them, closely follow the teachings of Christ and Christian theology. It would probably work well to find inner peace.. From an personal perspective, a place of peace for the sake of our own wellbeing and those around us is healthy. The fact that I am a Christian also plays a role in my views. It may also help us to understand our adversary.
Their is also a place for outrage and indignation. It can be a great motivator of action in the face of fear and overwhelming odds. It is necessary to fight an adversary when you, your loved ones or your culture is threatened. Otherwise you will be swept aside like a twig in a raging river.
However, Janice makes an excellent point, this is a cultural struggle between good and evil. One of the problems we have in our society today is moral relativism. This attitude has surely caused our societal rot. Evil despots and movements wield this as an effective weapon. Margaret Thatcher had a famous quote "Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides." It leads to moral confusion and paralysis.
Our adversaries are motivated by power. They use ideological certainty and victimhood as their weapons. Playing on our emotions and inner drives that are baked into all humans. As mentioned in the article, they activate deeply held beliefs that women are weak and victims that need to be protected by society. That they have moral superiority to men. It plays on womens innate feelings of sisterhood, self-righteousness and personal power. Unfortunately creating a sense of entitlement and narcissism.
They use mens almost irresistible desire to protect women. We hear the mantra all the time about womens personal empowerment. Reinforcing some mens view of womens victimhood and the need for support. Ironically, while celebrating empowerment feminist seek to strip men of their personal power.
Its been my personal observation that liberal men are most susceptible to this. It fits well with their arrogant feelings of virtue. Some of them in the mens rights movement are doing great things for the improvement of boys/mens lives. I am grateful for this. However, it is painful to see a man pander to feminist. Regardless of the underlying purpose.
So maybe their is a place for both empathy and action using moral outrage. However, i believe at this time that more activism is called for.. I think that to overcome the issues we have discussed, it will require women to take the lead and grow the grassroots movement to the next level. Women understand and instinctively know how to socially out maneuver other women. Because they understand the tactics and general rules of the game. They can also capitalize on the same weapons the feminist use; societies empathy and desire to protect women. I greatly appreciate the women like Janice that have fought for mens rights for a long time. It must be tiring and frustrating at times.
Men of course still have their role, we can also stand shoulder to shoulder with the women who fight for mens rights and a healthier society. I think there is a quiet majority waiting for the right leadership to come along. Many see the problem but don't know what to do about it. However, people are beginning to see radical feminists for what they truly are, evil. Radical feminist are a formidable foe and dominate all aspects of our society. Its a difficult fight but necessary for the generations that follow us..
Mark, this sentence jumped out at me from your comment: "I think there is a quiet majority waiting for the right leadership to come along." I have felt this way at times, especially in Jordan Peterson lectures when I sense a vast group of people of goodwill, earnestly striving to understand and do the right thing. The right leader could indeed tap into this energy, it seems to me. But that would be a truly exceptional person, to step into that role and carry it well. Still, I hope ...
There is a blogger whose handle is "The Tin Men". You can find him on X (@TheTinMenBlog) and other platforms. He shares our frustration with lack of progress with men's rights. He comes from a marketing background and suggests we have a branding problem. An intriguing observation. I believe he is trying a new angle. I hope he finds some success.
I can't help but think about a woman approx 30 yrs ago who single-handedly created a boycott of a major corporation. It was for a commercial that showed women in a demeaning light. Then corporate lawyers and CEOs became afraid of legal and social backlash if they insulted women.
So, they started demeaning and insulting men instead. They knew that there would be little protest or lawsuits. There would be no accountability. To this day that has not changed. Unless it's about beer of course..
With Janice and others unrelenting articles and interviews; many people's perspective of feminism and men's rights are changing. People are learning about the truth. A counter to the feminist narative. It seems like acceptance of the men's rights movement has moved from the fringes to mainstream. This is progresss. As you mentioned Jordan Peterson had a role in that.
I think we need an mens rights activist group lead by someone like Bettina Arndt but in the US. Theirs a lot of downtrodden men, particularly young men, who need a purpose and want to make a positive change in men's lives. Theirs also a lot of mothers of sons, daughters of fathers and wives of husband that care about men. If we could bring these men & women together for a common cause, men's rights, it would be very powerful.