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Jeffrey Strahl's avatar

🤣 WHEN? Anyone thought of as a communist was expelled. Read US history late '40s-early '50s. The only union to espouse communism ever was the IWW, and we know what was done to it.

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

That is incorrect. The word "Progressive" means communist, but for an American audience. President Woodrow Wilson was the first to push the terminology; he was a discreet communist who helped bring in the FED.

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Jeffrey Strahl's avatar

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Theodore Roosevelt pushed the term "Progressive" well before Wilson. He even ran for president in 1912 under the banner of the National Progressive Party, which became known as the Bull Moose Party when in June 1912 Roosevelt described himself as “fit as a bull moose.” Wilson won the election, his first. The Fed was the brainchild of JP Morgan and John D Rockefeller. Hard core communists, eh? 🤣 🤣 🤣

Wilson in fact launched the first anti communist witch hunt in US history, after the US entry into WWI, in April 1917 with the Palmer Raids, named after the manager, Attorney General A Mitchell Palmer. Many thousands were imprisoned, beat up, deported.

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

Believe what you want. The British Empire has been working to control the colonies since before the Declaration of Independence. They use deception to maintain power from the shadows.

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Jeffrey Strahl's avatar

That Declaration of Independence was aimed at whom? 🤣 That's right, the British Empire. Britain is a vassal of the US, not the other way around. Not a matter of what i "believe," but of historical facts.

I have no idea what you think capitalism means, but this social system emerged in late medieval rural England, in the form of the Enclosures. Subsistence farmers were expelled from their hereditary lands by the large landlords, their lands surrounded by fences, thus enclosed. Likewise, the large landlords confiscated lands which had been part of the Commons. The enlarged estates were then run as capitalist enterprises, for profit, and for the first time initiated a cycle of accumulation which functioned on its own.

The proto-capitalists of the trade centers were merchants whose enterprises depended entirely upon the spending and goodwill of the feudal class and the vicissitudes of trade. Their position remained static, just like the feudal system as a whole, no surprise since they were part of that system's fabric. The new rural enterprises on the other hand developed their own dynamic, one of rapid growth. This system grew and spread to the rest of the British Isles. Its demand for productivity growth to remain competitive led to the Industrial Revolution and the further rapid growth of capitalism. The English state stood aside during the initial Enclosures, in spite of massive violations of traditions, and later stepped in and managed their further spread. Capital and the modern state emerged joined at the hip, and have remained so since, to this day. The BS about "free market" is strictly for true believers like yourself.

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Jeffrey Strahl's avatar

Joe Rogan? Seriously? 🤣 Virus pusher deluxe, RFK JR pusher deluxe,...

Your assertions about US history shows you know little about it, or about capitalism, socialism, communism,.... and history in general.

And i never pushed electric vehicles, so i have no idea why you're throwing that out.

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George Doremus's avatar

There is one union in the United States with a connection to the Communist Party. It represents health care workers. There’s one connected to the DSA, its entire credential for claiming to be a labor party. It represents state and local government employees. Both unions are local to New York City.

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Jeffrey Strahl's avatar

The Communist Party USA? It ceased having anything to do with communism back around 1920, when it, like most parties around the world with "communist" in their name, became a front for the new Soviet state, and acted from then on as nothing more than a transmission belt for the foreign policy of this state, which imprisoned and even executed any actual communists in the USSR.

There's a pretty amazing story of how the CPUSA had prepared a rally on 6/22/41 at Madison Square Garden in New York to oppose US possible entry into WWII, as the Soviet Union was operating on the basis of the August 1939 Stalin-Hitler non-aggression pact. Well, that morning, the German army launched an invasion of the Soviet Union. The party's leaders and the rally's attendees, to their horror, found a Garden full of banners opposing the war. So on the spot they concocted a story that infiltrators snicked in and placed up the banners so as to sabotage the rally, which was turned into a gathering demanding immediate US entry into the war. This apparently was one of the events which motivated Orwell's theme in Nineteen Eighty Four of sudden shifts in alliances and pretenses that the previous alliances had never existed.

DSA never had anything to do with "socialism." It was founded by Michael Harrington, who was never anything more than a lukewarm social democrat. That's an ideology which proposes capitalism with a human face via lots of state intervention. It has been a totally mainstream political grouping in much of the world, and quite compatible with grossly repressive pro capitalist policies. The first such party to hold state power was in Germany starting two days before the end of WWI. The party, under the premiership of Rudolf Noske, bloodily repressed massive insurrections by workers and the military ranks, including the summary execution of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, former party members in the parliament.

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George Doremus's avatar

Fourth International, Bakuninite, Kropotkinite, or Johnson-Forest? I’d love to see a deeper critique of the CPUSA.

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Jeffrey Strahl's avatar

None of the above. I do draw from Bakunin and Kropotkin, as well as libertarian/council communists such as E.P. Thompson, Ellen Meiksins Wood, Sylvia Pankhurst, Paul Mattick and the German/Dutch ultra-left, Rosa Luxemburg, Andre Breton and the Surrealists, The Situationists,...

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