"Feminist pundit and academic Wednesday Martin, a self-described 'social researcher' (PhD in comparative literature) has defended women’s need for sexual variety, claiming that women have a harder time than men with monogamy, which she described as 'a tighter shoe' for them. She reports that most women’s desire for their mates drops dramatically between years one and three of a relationship, creating unique female hardships. 'We have to deal with the fact that women like variety and novelty and adventure...'"
This strikes me as possibly an instance of the Nietzschean impulse to create a philosophy that mirrors one's own idiosyncrasies (and flaws).
No, I don't believe that women have a greater desire for "variety and novelty and adventure" than men. Every piece of relevant social science data seems to say the opposite.
I'm disturbed at how easily people confuse what THEY want or what might be good for them with what is best for society. You can desire polyamory and still recognize that monogamous relationships are a solid basis for society (and polyamorous ones are not... where are the historical precedents?). It's truly discouraging how few people are able to hold competing ideas at different levels in their minds at once.
Everyone needs shame. Everyone needs expectations. Everyone needs duty. Without those elements you're on a long path to misery, and you probably won't even discern your destination until it's far too late. Especially (keeping in mind the biological timelines involved) if you're a woman.
The notion that women's libido is just as strong and exacting as men's seems utterly preposterous.
Of course, for decades, pundits told us that men's stronger sexual desire must never be evoked to justify any wrong, even something as momentary and innocuous as an unsolicited kiss or touch.
Now that it's women's allegedly stronger sexual desire being talked of, however, it justifies nearly anything!
Not necessarily. Research from neuroscientists demonstrates women respond differently to sexual promiscuity than men. Once women have too many sexual partners they lose the ability to bond with any man due to the abuse of oxytocin, the "love hormone". Oxytocin is needed for building a sense of bonding and emotional intimacy and is involuntarily secreted during sex. The process seems to be like abuse of dopamine thanks to porn or drugs. The mechanisms break.
When this happens women experience boredom more quickly and this can be interpreted incorrectly as need for novelty. This is the trap for any hedonist and is not limited to women. But women can abuse sex more easily than men as men have to work hard to sleep with any women. We a similar thing with young men and pornography.
That’s a good point. It makes sense to say “men get turned on more easily, but women get turned off more easily” — and for someone who is in a relationship, “getting turned off” is functionally identical to a “need for novelty.”
We don’t need to believe that single women desire promiscuity as much as single men in order to believe the above — it’s two totally different phenomena that can be difficult to distinguish in certain circumstances.
Young women seek connection, just like most women. But they have been told acting like men works for them too, which it doesn't.
But yes, boredom due to frazzled neurons will feel like the need for novelty. But if it really is neurotransmitter saturation there is probably no hope.
Yes, Spaceman, but there's probably an additional reason for hopelessness. As women have been saying for decades about men, indifference toward, and exploitation, of anyone--let alone half the population--is inherently dehumanizing and therefore profoundly immoral. Because moral agency is just as deeply rooted in human nature as any neurotransmitter, given the reliance of our species on culture, I conclude that these women indulge in folly without even the excuse of incels (who must admit and lament their own inability to attract mates).
Claims about human behavior not based on falsififiable research in either the natural or social sciences are not worth the electrons they’re stored on.
Cat and Nat and their ilk won’t have to worry much longer. Their attitudes toward boys and men have contributed to a world where male interest in and sexual desire for women is falling to an all-time low. If things continue along this path, MGTOW followers will just be known as “normal guys.”
Ha! Was just going to comment much the same. Laughed out loud at Ms. Lester stating: " marriage is holding [women] back from living the life they want to live.” I'm thinking: that's probably not going to be a problem for you ladies, as there ain't many men left interested in marrying you. Or dating you. Or dealing with you at all.
Mr. Bowles, are you seriously suggesting that these women, who claim to be independent, bougie 'n shit, need'n no man, "aint putt'n up no moh wit deez broke ass &!*@$" need to finance their own misadventures? Heresy I say!
Women's TikTok videos and the much despised manosphere have finally woken men up to the true nature of modern Western women and to the gynocentric legal system governing marriage & divorce.
Jeffrey. Please don’t be mislead by these publicity seeking gyrocentric women. The vast majority are like me. They love their husbands and children, feel overwhelming desire for that husband even after forty years of marriage. The shared experiences, love, interests, adventure and best friends status of happily married couples is far more common that the gadfly, selfish and hypocritical stance of these ridiculous and thankfully rare, silly, selfish women.
Do be aware though that there are many similar silly, selfish men around too. ‘Be like the bee, sup and slip from flower to flower’ is so applicable to some men and has been facilitated by the equally silly rejection of loving, caring and enduring marriages by some women.
I loved my husband and he loved me. In sickness and in health. In learning what pleased us both. In sharing commitment, security, uninhibited laughter and passion. In companiable reading, immersed in our individual books. In sharing interests, friends and togetherness solitude.
Marriage is made for both men and women and its rejection is rarely good for either sex.
Shew! Thaaaank you for this comment! I'm in such an awful place these days with regards to dating and deep, nearly debilitating loneliness. And all I keep seeing are articles like this. It's so unbearably soul crushing.
Jeffrey, I am not too sure about that. We read about the loud exceptions rather than the contented majority. When did you ever read a newspaper headline that read, “ The Whole Country is pleased with the Government’s Stance on Taxation, Healthcare and Education”. Or, “Married Couples are Known to Have Better Lives than Cohabiting Adults.” None of that is exciting or readable so news generally consists of bad news and uncommon events and ideologies. Therefore, we read all sorts of horrible things and assume that apart from the normalcy of our lives, everything else is “Going to hell in a hand basket” (Great Expression). A lot of the sensational stuff is exceptional which is why it’s printed, videoed and touted as being a mantra that all readers should adopt. As for me and most of my married friends- we like it as it is and we are boringly happy with flares of wonderful unity.
Balanced comments, once again I’m reminded of how different to other social media this space usually is.
Yvonne- I think the wonderful and good hearted women who may think as you do are snapped up young and are having families (not enough though to save us). But, after a certain age, what 29, 30? the single ladies have high body counts, regard men as disposable and their sexuality as an ATM. Free meals, dates, trips, presents and for little effort.
It’s certainly true that the top 20% of single guys will play the field, tall, good looking chads with money and social capital, they are the ones that the 80% of hypergamous women go for, these men are getting lots of sex but there is no advantage to them of settling down, while the buffet is still open.
Modern women did this, fueled by social media and dating apps. Men do not talk about “settling” but women do. Settling is marrying a 6 when they think they deserve a 10, as after all, a 10 fucked them one weekend back in Malaga. Entitlement. Because we’re worth it. That is exclusively female, us average joes are usually just glad to have someone nice.
This is a lovely comment Yvonne! We need to hear positive marriage stories. There is a lot of talk about trials and issues and those are real but what I feel can be missing is the joys and the love shared! Thank you
Narcissism run wild in those two. What kind of men are they married to who will stand for being humiliated, disrespected and disgraced by these two infantile, sorry, warning I'm going to use the b-word, bitches? Smug, self-righteous, ridiculous, slutty and vulgar. Any man with an ounce of self-respect wouldn't get within miles of either one of them, or the women who give credence to what they say and do. Cats and wine boxes are in their futures.
There are (last time I counted) seven beautiful children between them. On top of the strong possibility that the husbands love their wives despite their disgusting YouTube antics, they certainly don't want to lose their children.
Cat and Nat are a great argument for father custody.
I’d throw my wife out immediately if she posted videos (even one video) like that. There’s no coming back from public disrespect and humiliation like that. Those relationships are toast.
Don’t actually agree. I would say it’s about 50-50. . I am not speaking of all men and women. The proportion of happy and enduring marriages as compared to the awful ones is about 85%. You never hear of these as there’s nothing noteworthy about happy contentment.
Your repeated juxtaposition of actual reality and the media-biased perception of it is extremely important because it is perhaps the central epistemic challenge of our time.
Hi Yvonne, thanks for your comment. It’s true, a lotta people are shits these days! I’m certain somewhere on Substack there’ll be a piece on the generalised loss of civics, pride, respect for self and others and indeed even reduced chivalrous behavior (not that I think the latter is desirable, it’s subservient). People do seem more angry, selfish and short term, the reptile brain is in charge.
Is there a sex difference, I don’t see men saying that women are the cause of our loss (of kindness, civics, our whole Society), no men call on social media for white women to be killed, there is no phrase “toxic femininity” although it exists. Feminists say misandry doesn’t exist just as blacks say it’s not racist to hate whites, same rationale rooted in their victimhood.
I haven’t got any answers but if everyone could manage to be kind to each other that would be a quantum shift (thanks Jerry Garcia).
Over-sexed, underloved super, entitled women wanting to live out T.V. fantasies of a reality show where they are seen and desired and wanted.....what a mess.
Came here for this- I believe the Red Pilled term is 'Hypergamy'. The proposed reason is that women naturally get bored and look for something fresh on the menu to shake up the gene pool or smth. I never knew there was all this evidence- damn!
Any woman, no matter how attractive or unattractive, could sit at a bar with a sign around her neck saying, 'Free Sex Here', and she would have a long line of sexually desperate men going out the door.
The same couldn't be said for a man doing that.
It is not an achievement for a woman to indulge in 'free love'. If anything she is only confirming that some men will bang anything. Which kind of contradicts that assertion that women have higher libidos than men.
But, yes, the unrelenting ingratitude (and convenient blindspot), for everything men do for women is off the charts. My own personal belief is that gratitude is a precondition to contentment and happiness, so I can understand why these women are miserable. A self-inflicted misery.
It seems so many women want to be Cinderella: a woman permanently put-upon, harried, unvalued and innocent, just waiting for everyone else to get their shit together to release her and have everyone love her.
(Oddly, apart from her ability to clean, Cinderella is actually useless. It's everyone else who does the work to reveal her inherent value. Poor Jack has to climb beanstalks and slay giants to be valued).
Spot on. And if you're successful you owe that to your wife. I was only successful by my willingness to work slavishly for my family to support them. She could never understand the hardships. My work ethic is my own and nobody else's. As they say men are only valued for what they provide and then it's never enough. And marriage counsellors side with women as it's the flavour of the month. Don't expect understanding from them. We are on our own as it's always been.
Always? Maybe over the last fifty years. Historically and cross-culturally, though, men and women have always been economically and socially interdependent. This is necessary for both the children and for the community as a whole. What's going on now in modern or postmodern societies is an aberration, not the norm.
Western women have become liberated from their "oppression" and what are they doing with it? Banging strangers as often as they can, breaking up families to pursue sexual adventures, and milking whatever source of funds they can find, from chumps to government, with zero conscience. Sluts, unfit mothers and thieves; not the best advert for women's liberation. So much for the fairer sex.
All these behaviors are enabled by affluence. They are fixed by poverty and the interdependencies it encourages. Most of our grandmothers did not behave like this.
The poverty will come from the collapse that follows the fracture in society caused by feminism and the unleashing of female lust with few responsibilities attached. Despite their incessant screeching this is not how men behave and if they did we would have no society.
I don't like to link to other articles from other (subbers? stackers?) writers, but there is an absolutely phenomenal article that does an excellent job exploring- and talking in detail about feminism, the patriarchy, why the patriarchy needs to exist and why the feminists want to be continuously discover new kinds of oppression. I will leave it here in the hopes that 1) Janice doesn't delete it, and 2) even better would be if she would read that article (as well as everyone else in this comment section).
Really interesting article thanks for including. I think it unnecessarily long and repeats the same concepts too many times but it is very interesting and I think very accurate.
After major strides and societal change, as you say "affluence" reacted with Third Wave Feminism, Critical Theory, and Theories of Oppression / Patriarchy to arrive at an entitled mob of women of all ages intent on living an experientialist life with no thought to responsibilities or the broader society at large. In a word, nihilism.
It has always been understood women rarely think of the common good, only of themselves. It is men who think, what would be good for society, while women ask what would be good for me? The rest is theater.
Absolutely, but articulating it will bring about instant rage and shaming. No one can be honest, this is the basis of most of the world’s problems. Now with the Matriarchy running the show, nothing works and everyone and everything is out of control. Yet no one will do a thing to change it? If girls and women had to face consequences for their actions and choices in life the way that men do, perhaps things would at least level off. Men are some of the biggest enablers of female antics and excess, don’t seeing that changing anytime soon?!
I'd expand your idea. Though not an avid evolutionary psychologist, I do think that women evolved to seek the most favorable conditions for their own children (though not necessarily for the children of other women or for society as a whole). You could argue that, by extension, the welfare of their own children is closely linked with their own welfare, but that would require speculation.
Yes but not all people care about the implications of behavior. That's why they send their own children to private schools, for example, instead of ensuring the excellence of public schools.
They are lost brother. Not we. Eat well, walk in the sun, lift, travel, make your nest egg and disappear. That was my plan, done it, off grid on my own land, single, miss having someone to care about but if they don’t care about you we are fools for even trying.
In my experience, I don't need "they." I need one woman who appreciates me and whom I appreciate. She is rare. It's like finding a gemstone in a pile of rubble, but I found her.
A mathematician threatens the whole testing industry, with the temerity to question the very foundations of physicians working towards the public good.
Mrs Fiamengo it links to an article covering the dispute about a math person saying the reason for more positive tests in certain populations have a source in algorithm and not biology. The writer describes denialists and the harm they have done. The denialists stand in line and make raspberries at him, by sticking their tongues out slightly, and vibrating their lips. very dramatic.
What is striking is all these women talking about me, me, me and never a word about giving pleasure to the men they presumably love, or once loved. Never a word about sex as a means of connection, love, mutual enjoyment. No hint of generosity, no sense of obligation, commitment to a marriage. With this message being so thoroughly promoted in our culture, it is no wonder men are increasingly wary of marriage. Such women are all destined to become cat ladies... and good riddance.
Thanks Janice for bringing this all together. Some of this was new to me. Gracious.
What struck me was that not so many years ago the rage was in shaming and blaming men who sought out affairs due to their wives unwillingness to have sex. What terrible people to do something like that! Now it seems, its ok, as long as you are a woman.
Yes one couldn't have "dead beat dads" without the notion of responsibility. And without this notion how can you extract alimony and child support if the man has fallen out of lurve with his wife and is indulging his "right" to find himself.
This rejection of sanity, [Christian] virtues, truth, justice, good order, Love, and even of life by modern Western womanhood should help us all understand past events or cultural-religious practices that have been labeled 'bad'.
It seems clear to me that first Birth-Control and then Forced Nationalize Religion of legal unborn torturing to death sacrifices to Satan, to womanhood's' lust, lies, manipulation, power, childhood soul-killing, the generations of us raised to accept and even reward the demonization Fatherhood, Manhood, Honor, traditional values and virtues, and murder of our unborn children, siblings, possible life-long friends and spouses, .., to force acceptance of the generational-increasing insanaties from crib, [functionally] fatherless - with threat of no-fault divorce rape and torture of fathers, children, societies, by them and their Satanic State 'husbands', and now open Genocide and children's mind-soul sexual mutilations.
Anyone old enough to remember the early 1970s Sane culture when older women, mothers, fathers, men and children, Government, Corporations, Professionals, and significant Institutions publicly expressed Men's values; Truth, Justice, good-Order, Charity, helping-others, ..., and then watched how society and Government Sickened as womanhood became Sick and un-manageable and unLoving, and they raised generations of anti-virtue baby-murdering increasingly delusional unTrue, unJust, disOrdering, fatherhood and manhood destroying hyper-empowered Poison-Spreading soul-Castrating psychotic un-correctable and unLovable.
And explain to me how a Sane and Loving cultures of Christian virtue-based raised societies from hundreds of years ago when Man was known to be made in God's Image and our souls to be Loved and Guided to Perfect Love, Union, Communion with God and for Him and us all, with each other ..
.. Explain how Witches were not real back then even though we all are forced to suffer them daily from crib to tormented suicides and war-murdered and sicked to death?
The 1/3 Parental Fraud National Blood Bank studies, and the huge False-Rape accusations filed with police, and entire Sick womanhood and gov and institutions and corporations and societies' assumed guilt of accused (by women) and reminder of life with 'arrested for rape' on background checks destroying his life, and the lying vile vicious slimy false accusers rarely punished and often rewarded ..
.. so how are the Islam societies wrong in Stoning to Death such false-witnessers (or either sex) or valuing women's testimony much less in some situations?
And perhaps we may understand how Female Genital Mutilation might be considered as a step to assist women and society to be healthier, After all, mothers mutilation our future hopes, successes, freedoms, and our male genitals and minds and souls seems a Witch-Driven National pass-time.
Hate Speach? As a white Christian virtue-based value raised male, when the F- were we not being vomited on my mothers, women professionals and others, society, courts, ... since crib? Our Fathers and other decent men driven away so we helpless to this kind of abuse?
Men, Fathers, Brothers, Uncles, .. driven away because they know what real Love is and the women that did or do know what Love is, was because they had them in their lives before Modern womanhood Sickness Poisoned their families and societies.
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Related - recently I argued with ChatGPT AI about older womanhood after being convinced by it how powerful a role in families, communities, and societies they have been in keeping traditions and directing and maintaining good healthy habits and virtues through historical retellings and guidance to those younger members (while the AI never mentioned the older men's similar role and importance, BTW)
But when I started asking about their negative powers for harm and destruction, for example that widespread their ideology and 'wisdom' became Sick and Baby-murderously insane, say for example if some kind of false belief system justifying resentment, fear, hatred, and attacks against families' and societies' benefactors and maintainers of Truth, Justice, and Good Order, .. let us call it 'Feminism' ..
.. Oh my goodness, ChatGPT insulted me by suggesting that we could only discuss things that were respectful and reasonable, .. after telling me all about toxic-masculinity, BTW.
And forget my hypothetic suggestions that if such an incredible situation occurred that it would parallel what Theologians argue about why God sent the Flood, or destroyed Sodom and Gomorra, that the Poison ran so deep and wide that no child would not suffer and become a horrible lost sick soul from such a society so Sickened by baby-murdering insane delusional psychotic poisonous spewing older women.
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.. That perhaps the only 'hope' we have to return to sanity is if God sent a real pandemic that kills all women at menopause and those already past for 4-5 generations to cleanse that insane murderous Witches and their Toxic Poisons they spread through their extended families, friends' children especially young women, other women in social and political and employments connected and often the most sick are in positions of power they abuse men from, or advance the resentment based forced policies of poverty 'hire not white men, remove existing white men, fill with meritless minorities and vicious manhating virtueless women' ..
.. unwritten business policies that for generations have effective killed (aborted before formed) families when white men cannot afford wife and family, barely can live alone or homeless when educated and-or skilled with good histories as employees. Effectively throughout white indigenous nations sterilizing no-child situations so population percentage of whites in world dropped from was 29% in 1950, to today's studies report from white world-wide population at from 15% down to 9%. Good Job white man-hating inhuman baby murdering walking bags of poisonous vomit; our mothers, aunts, grandmothers, women co-workers, managers, Judges, law-makers, educator, administrator, and every non-sweaty non-stinking non-deadly well-paid vag-card-required 'professional' shitting in every common soup-pot, crushing the testicles of every display of the slightest healthy manhood and every boy to castrate his mind-body-soul.
St. Thomas Aquinas and other theologians of that period defines how sin harms us, our intellect is darkened, our judgements distorted, imprudence expands, memory damaged, .., the more a person defines Sin is good, the more mental faculties are damage.
It is not hard to expand this rational understanding of crippled mental faculties in the damage that raising children from crib to accept and even celebrate insanities as 'normal', generation after generation the more the West has become functionally insane. Raise a child to accept that mom or any mother can hire Witches to torture our brothers & Sisters, our sons and daughters, or possible wives and husbands, .. to death, ripping them apart while they silently scream .. is insane, yet children are forced to accept it because psychotic mom 'loves' us and hurts us if we don't accept it. Then sexually mutilating minds-bodies-souls of children and damaged adults, then killing old people and depressed people and .., and .. what? Accepting open public televised genocide?
Modern Western Womanhood, State, Corporate, Institutions, and 'Professionals' and most raised by them are mind-raped and morally and intellectually retarded.
And so, perhaps this Article's subject might be the result of some of these causes.
I don't think they deserve it necessarily. I expect they do not wish to be taken to the cleaners financially and to lose contact with their children. I have known many men trapped in awful marriages with psychologically abusive women for these reasons.
Indeed. Passive aggressive sadism. These are the actions of women who expect no consequences, which seems to be the real feminist ideal. Do anything you wish and zero responsibility for what happens.
You’re welcome. You might like Roger Devlin’s full collection of essays titled Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization. He linked this essay by Janice to a site he writes on.
Welcome. This essay of yours reminded me of “Rotating Polyandry,” which is commentary on Michelle Langley’s Female Infidelity and Stephen Baskerville’s Taken Into Custody, and another essay of his, “Back to Africa: Sexual Atavism in the West,” in which he discusses this maladaptive sexual free-for-all we’re living through. I also suggest The Case for Father Custody by Dr. Daniel Amneus, in which he discusses what you have here. https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/sexual-utopia-in-power-f-roger-devlin/1122081520?ean=9781642641554
Thanks for another well-researched, powerful piece Professor Fiamengo.
I have been thinking about the need for civilized law to constrain potentially destructive aspects of instinct-driven behaviour. Lots of such laws exist and are enforced to constrain male behaviour such as aggression, sexual predation and other testosterone-urged behaviours. But the 'sugar and spice' mythology seems to have led us to believe that women's urges need no constraint, for example that we should accept and celebrate women's exploitation of their advantage in the sexual sphere because they are the limited reproductive resource. "Western' countries have removed most controls and consequences for sexual exploitation by women; they are rewarded with the right to enslave financially the men they deceive into impregnating them, whether by false claims they are taking a contraceptive pill or by secretly using the sperm from a condom. Limits on prostitution have been relaxed or removed, legalizing deceitful manipulation by attractive whores who pretend they are just looking for a date or who convince gullible customers to feel they are special and that they have a meaningful relationship with the woman. 'Western' countries have now legalized theft by women of half or more of the assets of any man who was foolish enough to let her live in his house, assets he earned before even meeting the woman. No constraint there needed, it seems, on women's avarice. 'Western' countries have also step-wise increased the ability of women to use forces of the state to harm men through false allegations that now need no corroboration whatsoever. Women are always honest it seems, and there is no need for our laws to recognize or to limit women's sense of justification for harming men through lies on the basis that they are more vulnerable physically and economically.
I predict that the need for constraint on women will become ever more apparent. Whether we are wise enough to act on this remains to be seen.
Well said. It is remarkable how committed we have become to pretending that restraints on women's behavior are oppressive while restraints on men's behavior are necessary both for the protection of women and for civilized life generally. Few seem to believe that men should be protected from duplicitous, avaricious, or vengeful women; or that children should be protected from their selfishness and amorality.
I think it's time for me to write a follow-up to the fantasy of female power, focusing on shame and attention-seeking and sympathy-getting and the endless, endless feminine displays on social media.
There's a modern convention that encourages women to babble, emote (even cry), confess, etc. into their camera (I call the resulting collective of emotional, extroverted, conformist femininity 'The Hive'). In these displays we learn the truth: there is no impulse or desire which is now considered to be unseemly or shameful for women if those impulses are for their own gratification or benefit.
We used to have a social order in which rights were balanced with duties and status was balanced with shame. When it comes to many professional women there is no CULTURAL shame (around the things they might want to do), and there are also no duties. Every person an island... the dream of the modern world. Hooray.
"There is no impulse or desire which is now considered to be unseemly or shameful for women if those impulses are for their own gratification or benefit." Astounding but true.
“Men have sacrificed and crippled themselves physically and emotionally to feed, house, and protect women and children. None of their pain or achievement is registered in feminist rhetoric, which portrays men as oppressive and callous exploiters.” ― Camille Paglia
So do I, Janice. No sentimental, romantic or idealized nonsense from her! Sexual Personae, insightful and funny, is among my favorite books on men and women. Like our ancient and not-so-ancient ancestors, she associates women (or female sexuality) with the watery abyss or primeval ooze and potential chaos. She associates men (or male sexuality), on the other hand, with hardness or firmness and potential order. Both nature and culture present problems for the individual and for the community. In tandem, though, both present the promise of healthy and enduring communities. This is why we need to bind both sexes in a social contract that, fostering gratitude and interdependence, establishes a basic level of reciprocity.
From the sublime, as it were, to the ridiculous: Has anyone read Beyond Power: On Women, Men and Morals (1985), by Marilyn French? It's a kind of Summa Feministica, a catalogue of the countless ways in which femaleness (in every sexual species) is superior to maleness and therefore that women are innately superior to men. Along the way, she argues that female sexuality in particular, is focused on pleasure (or life) and male sexuality on power over others (conquest and death). Her feminist utopia, therefore, is not only a feminist one but also (at least for women) a hedonistic one.
I have not read *Beyond Power.* I confess that I never read Marilyn French at all. I am ordering it now. She must be in the line of Frances Swiney, a 19th century British feminist and Theosophist who wrote *The Awakening of Women; Or, Women's Part in Evolution* (1899), arguing that women were the future of humanity, superior to men in every way, physically, intellectually, emotionally, morally, spiritually, etc. Where men tear down, women build up; men are for death, power, war; women for life, mutuality, peace; in the sexual realm, she had a lot to say also, similar to French though with a Victorian gloss of purity and self-restraint.
Much of what you, Janice, write about is caused by widespread ignorance of the male and female, in women at first it seems, not caring for truth but wanting to believe anything that presents them as better - often by reputationally destroying manhood, and such delusional lies passed on by the Divorce-raping mothers and family destroying Federal Gov Welfare and State courts, anti-Christian values-driving media and corporations.
The men that have procreated through history valued truth, justice, order, trustworthiness, honor, hard work, charity, providing and protecting, mentoring, educating, etc. When men do well then, the women and children in family and community are cared-for. Unlike today, gov pushed by women voters steel and life-suck men's and families' blood-sweet-tears-deaths in wages (taxes) and destroy fatherhood-children's relationships, single mothers - often with child-abusing boy-friends - fail raising well-rounded children to adults, filling children with and not protecting them from feminist-commie-Globalists lies and mind-body-soul mutilations. Nearly 50% of all children in USA grow-up without fathers. Without the Truth and the Love we all need to be successful in life.
What have women needed to value to procreate?
Men and fathers will teach the truth to children, regardless of hurtie-feelies because fathers and men teachers mentor and show them how to be a successful adult, even if the truth upsets them. Many of our last few generations of children left home filled with soul-success-hope-truth murdering lies our mothers, older sisters, aunts, media, women teachers, gov, 'Professionals', .. filled us with.
I have seen little real Love from women since mid 1980's and my move to this GodLess Witch-ruled State. Love is the form of true-telling despite the short-term Feelies, but truth that will help the other live better and more successfully, not harming or destroying themselves and others because they believe lies, .. like the horror that too many women support and attack men that Stand in Love against it, 'sex is a choice, sexual mutilation is okay, or pretending other sex is healthy, that refusing such insanity will likely cause suicide (when opposite is true)' Or that life killing and soul mutilating and insanity causing belief that mothers may kill our babies, silently screaming while being ripped apart, for any reason - failed entrapment, whim, drunken 2am bar-hopping 'rape',... ( older women in my family that suffer today in retirement for the killing they did in late teens!)
Those of us that were raised in the 1960s and 1970s before the insanities of Hyper-empowered mind-raped raised women meritlessly Quota-filled penetrated in all significant institutions, lawmaking, judges, executives, management, and co-workers that rejected the highly successful merit skill and competency hierarchy traditional ways - were women and minorities were rare but existed if-and-only-if they had similar merit values skills work-ethics as the white Christian virtue-based values raised men .. falsely demonized system because they rarely tried and often could not compete so pretended it was sexist and-or racists, destroyed the goodness and replaced with 'yappy meritless lying unJust reputational destroying back-stabbing cock-stroking sexist and racist [white] man-hating toxic system that they could advance in because they Sick hate filled resent filled ignorant mind-raped minions of Witches and Satan.
Compete and win on the bases of disHonor, lies, tit-flashing, back-stabbing, .. win in ways that a decent man would not allow or join in - except facing homelessness and medical insurance for family and self.
She and Twilight Zone's Rod Serling grew up in neighboring towns. Something stronger than fluoride must have been in the water. Vitamin A for vision, perhaps.
They can proclaim the lifestyle, but the results are in and they are disappointing. They don’t lead to more happiness and health, but less happiness and health.
However, what they say has some small, and maybe even important, nugget of truth. Monogamy, very strict, is absolutely best for society. And 100% best for children. This is easily empirically shown. Constraining oneself isn’t 100% good for any individual though. Sometimes it is. Some times it might not be.
This topic is a far more complicated issue than we admit and really deserves nuanced discussion. Not least of which is why women are attracted sexually, and why men are. What a man means when he says ‘I love you’ and what a woman means. And why women cheat and why they don’t.
We talk around these subjects and blame one side or the other but we don’t really discuss them.
There are real issues here related to women's difficulties with monogamy: both the fading of desire for their partner and, sometimes, the development of passions for others.
Lacking a religious framework and/or deeply held personal morality backed by social sanction, these are intractable problems; and even with those, it's not easy.
Part of the problem is our belief that life should be easy for women--or, at least, shouldn't be hard. We don't worry about men in that way. Jordan Peterson's talk about bearing burdens is usually directed only at young men.
We won't be able to have nuanced discussions of these issues until women en masse agree to behave like grownups. I suspect they won't do so until they are forced to do so; or kept under strict surveillance, like the half-children they now mostly show themselves to be.
Of course because they might then leave the women. I think the truth is that without thinking the women simply assume their men will always be supporting them. Or "someone" will, increasingly here in the UK the taxpayer.
Men can’t afford to leave, he will be in a bedsit or sleeping in his office, like I was, for months when my divorce was happening, ironically it was my best period professionally as I worked till midnight most nights as the floor was so hard and the security guards stopped coming found at midnight. I got promoted and laid the foundations for my own business, leaving that office forever and retired at 45. My ex still works now, ha ha
That's very kind, thank you. Yes, everything that followed goes back to that time.
One fragment you'll appreciate I think, is that one day I was busted by a female colleague who discovered I was sleeping in my office (it was manageable, I had a WC down the hall and showers too), I thought the game was up, she came back later having been shopping and brought me a folding Z bed, one of the kindest gestures and I've never forgotten it, 20 plus years ago now.
May God Bless her! I recall so very few women that tried to help me from the manhood and fatherhood and Joy-Love-Truth-Sanity destroying Feminism I was indoctrinated in along with other psychological damage from a Demonically-oppressed Devouring Mother, and male-hating society and university I worked at, and this evil-filled Witch-filled State I moved too.
I recall 3 of the so many women I was forced to suffer to earn a living, 3 of 100's that lied by silence or actively pushed the male-hate insanities.
That was before the Web gave me access to women like Janice, GirlWritesWhat!, and some others.
Thank God for those few. Otherwise, It might be reasonable to believe that womanhood is 100% Sick and murderous.
Although it seems like that GodHating Satanic Womanhood State might not be realized for another 50 years, perhaps, When the demonic-seeds mothers and teachers and Gov injects in most children today, and then, will be Quickened before Puberty, with girl's 'coming of age' universal ritual being pregnancy not because of lust or love or .., but specifically for the young virgin father's soul and unborn torture to death by Witches, both as Sacrifices to Satan ..
.. as many already do in this generation. Pushed by 'Professional' Witches in Education, Gov, courts, ...
Anger. Burning anger redirected. I bought my own home two years after this, felt great. It wasn’t all me, I took St John’s Wort and my goodness, it was like rocket fuel for the brain, to hell with being depressed.
I endured a 10-year ordeal with a cheating wife. I tried to keep my family intact, but she finally flew the coop for good. I made a good comeback. I've written a story about the entire saga. It starts here:
"How long will it be before Cat and Nat decide that they owe it to themselves to take the lovers they’ve been fantasizing about?"
I suspect that that ship sailed many moons ago. But I wonder how much Viagra it takes for a man to get up and ready to service such cows as Nat and Cat. You might have to hit up more than one pharmacy.
With every loosening of moral scruples and strictures, the disaffected seek more "freedom." If trends continue, we shall soon have no restraints on anything. Except male behavior, on which the clamps will be tightened further f the lunatic feminine fringe is allowed to have its way. The dissolute, degenerate and deviant all have demanded that we allow them to do as they wished. Come to think of it, isn't that the singular commandment in the Church of Satan? And wasn't Eve's downfall the result of acting on her wish to be relieved of the burden of adhering to God's rule against eating the fruit of a single tree among the millions of trees He had made available in The Garden and become like a god herself? I suppose that we are faced with a decision whether to choose to return to righteously restraining our own evil desires or giving in to them, so to live in Hobbes' world of all against all, each seeking only her own pleasure. I suspect that these disaffected women simply fail to understand that removing restraints on their behavior will soon lead to men removing restraints on masculine behavior and entering the world of Conan The Barbarian where womens' puropse is to satisfy mens' desires.
They have to tighten control on men, because someone has to keep stuff going on.... if only to pay the taxes needed to deal with the huge social fall out.
But before that they reap what they sow. TikTok has many videos of this sort, annoying ladies unwisely trashing men and advocating casual sex. But it also full of videos of women on the other side of those decisions in their empty, husbandless, childless homes, lamenting their barren lives. The younger women are seeing some of these videos too and I am sure some of them are wondering.
" .. wasn't Eve's downfall the result of acting on her wish to be relieved of the burden of adhering to God's rule against .."
We can understand that woman, pulled from the rib of man, really the heart of man, is a desire both physically and spiritually for his completeness and her desire for him too a desire of her heart and body for her completeness. The original solitude. The 'One Flesh' of Perfect Union as Original Adam (as One Flesh united with Eve before division) was One with God in Union and Communion.
The Curse of Eve is her desire to control her husband. We see this all the time! In Genesis, it says "your desire shall be for your husband," but it should actually be translated "your desire shall be to control your husband."
Every woman must conquer this desire in herself. If she can do it, she can master any virtue, and becomes an amazing being. If not, she'll be wretched.
So...this is why women should be under the authority of their husband. It is rightly ordered. If she does it, she becomes more holy than her husband.
The demons know the structure of the Fall, and use the curse of Eve easily.
The original sin isn’t known as the sin of Eve, even though she ate the fruit first. It is called the sin of Adam because in original solitude they are one, in waking up male and female the two become one. Original sin was an offense against himself and what he was made to be. Man and woman aren’t to be in competition with one another, they are completeness and compliment one another. Things would have been different if Adam had said no to the fruit.
Eve's sins numbered less then Adams, what St. Thomas Aquinas has to say about the particular sins of both Adam and Eve:
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"The gravity of a sin depends on the species rather than on a circumstance of that sin. Accordingly we must assert that, if we consider the condition attaching to these persons, the man's (Adam) sin is the more grievous, because he was more perfect than the woman (Eve).
As regards the genus itself of the sin, the sin of each is considered to be equal, for each sinned by pride. Hence Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. xi, 35): "Eve in excusing herself betrays disparity of sex, though parity of pride."
But as regards the species of pride, the woman sinned more grievously, for three reasons. First, because she was more puffed up than the man. For the woman believed in the serpent's persuasive words, namely that God had forbidden them to eat of the tree, lest they should become like to Him; so that in wishing to attain to God's likeness by eating of the forbidden fruit, her pride rose to the height of desiring to obtain something against God's will. On the other hand, the man did not believe this to be true; wherefore he did not wish to attain to God's likeness against God's will: but his pride consisted in wishing to attain thereto by his own power. Secondly, the woman not only herself sinned, but suggested sin to the man; wherefore she sinned against both God and her neighbor. Thirdly, the man's sin was diminished by the fact that, as Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. xi, 42), "he consented to the sin out of a certain friendly good-will, on account of which a man sometimes will offend God rather than make an enemy of his friend. That he ought not to have done so is shown by the just issue of the Divine sentence."
It is therefore evident that the woman's sin was more grievous than the man's."
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An unusual apologetic about The Fall - about disOrdered sex, masturbation - which might be worth considering in relation to GodLess Loveless Insane Murdering Modern Western Womanhood;
At work, I've never heard a man complain about his wife, either publicly or privately to me. I've heard lots of women complain about their husbands publicly.
During an interview, a female candidate put down her husband for not wanting to do so much work inside the house. He was disabled, in a wheelchair, and unable to work. I assumed he felt bad about not being able to do more with his life. The candidate explained she married him after the disability, and they had agreed on their roles and that's that. There was no reason for the candidate to mention any of this. Everyone else in the room was a woman and they all laughed. The candidate got the job.
I've also heard co-workers publicly put down their husbands for things like not wanting to wear a Covid mask with flowers on it, and for being stupid and buying the wrong peanut butter. My boss belittles her husband right in front of me. She interrupts him and dominates him in arguments.
The other day a coworker casually mentioned someone wanting to get some time away from her husband for being annoying, and another women said, “tell me about me.”
I work at a university library. A guy who collected art photography books of male nudes (basically gay erotica) died, and his brother donated them to us. The director said we weren't going to keep them because they don't fit the collection. Another co-worker talked about how a group of the women were gathered in an office, looking through the books for fun, pointing and giggling.
No man could get away with any of this is the workplace.
I've had the same experiences. I've never heard a man publicly complain about his wife in any serious way (occasionally, a man will say something like "My wife will kill me if I have another drink, gotta go" or "My wife won't speak to me tonight if I don't pick up the groceries I promised ...": that's as close as most men get to saying a bad word about the boss). Men certainly wouldn't get invited onto morning talk shows for doing a years-long video series in which they ragged on their wives constantly. I don't think most men are interested in that; and they certainly wouldn't be rewarded for it.
Where I get my hair done, there is a constant stream of women casually complaining about their husbands' faults. It's just the norm.
Perhaps there is some sort of evolutionary basis: women evolved to complain about things, and their complaints were taken seriously by the men around them. Maybe there was an evolutionary advantage for those societies where the women were allowed to complain a lot. I'm just guessing.
But surely those women were also kept in check by their societies, prevented from unfitting their husbands for the work they had to do or from cheating on their husbands with other men. All such constraints have now been removed, with terrible results.
" .. Maybe there was an evolutionary advantage for those societies where the women were allowed to complain a lot. .. "
Yes, when women were sane and well-ordered in families and community, those mothers and older women made sure that children and women and families' needs were met.
If women had not fallen in sanity, virtue, humanity, charity, chastity, faith, in service, and care for others and self as deserving of respect as Images of God, Fallen so badly in the 1960s with Legal birth-control, expanding State legal mother's murdering our babies,
with Gov. Welfare destroying fatherhood and families and women's knowledge of healthy families for us all, and acceptance of selfish-wife-mother caused divorce (".. for the children! [And the stiff poolman's, friends husband's, stranger in bar's penises]") ..
.. if womanhood stayed sane and valued their huge social power and huge desire and duty that men felt in responding to their wants and needs, and trusting them long past time when it was insane to trust and believe them, ..
.. then our fathers, uncles, brothers, sons, that volunteered or forced to serve Nation (Women, Children, Families, Liberty) in Vietnam and returned damaged and needing care and support would have been given it. The discarding of men, benefactors, and servants to Nation, society, women, children, .. because they used-up and damaged and because they didn't have the women's wants that they die in rice fields instead of return damaged, Sick vile womanhood that as soon had any man unable to give them something for free they 'feel' better that their mother murdered them unborn.
As an older boy in the early and mid 1970s I heard older women, when women had souls and sanity and virtues, raised with them and corrected and rewarded when needed, Loved by society enough to direct them to be a Blessing to family, community, nation, and not Horror machines-from-Hell many seem to be and most others support them to be.
Imagine if those homeless damaged Vietnam Vets came back to a Society where women were still human and could love. Do you think today homeless families would be 'normal' or acceptable?
The governor of Texas, a state which may overtake Canada in population before long, has been in a wheelchair since his 20s, early in his marriage. His wife stayed with him, and they adopted at least one child. This marriage-- this woman-- sounds the polar opposite of the one you cite.
I was about to ask the name of your "candidate", then realised you meant candidate for a *job*, not for public office, so privacy rules. Too bad. It would have made a helluva comparison. Still, a congresswoman from this governor's own state referred to him as "hot wheels", a disparaging term for cripples who are particularly whiny, which he is not.
Mrs Woodhull greatly disturbed her fellow suffragists, as her arguments destroyed one of the pillars of their own, women's purported moral superiority. They quickly and firmly distanced themselves from her. Ironically (or predictably, according to the antis), women's great influence in the Victorian (!) era came from *not* having the franchise. Women's greatest political victory was in fact Prohibition, ratified by a record 46 of 48 states, in most of which they could not yet vote. It took well over a half-century after suffrage to claw back a similar level of influence. Which is now quite ANTI-Victorian.
By the way, as a natural-born citizen of at least 35 years of age, resident for at least 14 years, Tricky Vicky was eligible for the presidency, as Martha Washington or Abigail Adams would also have been. Sex had never been a qualification. (Compare that to New Zealand, where women got the vote ca. 1892, but couldn't sit in Parliament until 1919, after Jeannette Rankin had finished her first term in Washington.) A fascinating constitutional question is whether states could have kept them off their ballots. A question that had never come up in the previous 83 years.
Yes the role in prohibition is ignored, I suppose it would make feminists seem kill joys. Though never reaching prohibition in the UK the development of "licensing laws" controlling alcohol sales and "pubs" was very much a female led campaign with "temperance" a huge movement. One key call to arms was that alcohol was causing men to neglect their duty to support their wives and children because of spending on "drink".
Yes, I've written a lot about the feminization of society through temperance advocacy. Women's involvement in temperance, in the early 19th century, was often the first step in their radical politicization and conviction that women should run the world.
That feminization was done through the ever expansion of our men-fathers-wage-steeling liberty-Rights-unJust and family-fatherhood-masculine genociding white Christian-value raised population replacement poverty-spreading population-controlling GreatSatan Federal Gov, State gov, local gov, courts, institutions, religious, media, education, re-writing false history, censoring and destroying men that Stand against their Witch-directed delusional-retarded community-soup-pot shitting and poisoning, meritless and unJust livelyhood ending, secrete Black-Lists life destroying, endless-war & baby-murdering & sexually mutilating .. feminization Hell-Tool under the lie of 'Safety' and ' ..for the Children!'
When I was a young man other men and most women were generally careful about showing respect to men (and all others when men were around) because it was Manhood Standards of Truth, Justice, Good Order, politeness, respect of the Image of God in us all,.. because acting openly against those standards might get them a beating - a Loving Correction that their Father never gave them early enough or often enough or hard enough and their mother was unLoving Devouring piece of Evil-Witch Hell.
Later in the 1980's the male-hate and disRespecting and other negative insanities like baby-murder and unpunished life-destroying false-witnessing were made uncorrectable by the victims and by Loving men for those victims, LawFare, loss of employment and careers, homelessness, prison, and other vile female-hate and female-evil ruled. Toxic man-hating abusive-contemptable women and their mind-raped [adult] children made it so the price to earn a living was insane levels of viciousness and abuse from them and courts and HR-departments and Gov,..
.. I suffered most of my adult life as most men, decent men, virtuous men, hard-working merit-filled lovable men, that - like myself - educationally and intellectually shaped myself from 5th grade, romantically driven to Serve and help others, with years of study, work, social, .. with peers before and after puberty, .. without reason for Just abuse failure poverty .. except for the Witches and the ever-increasing Sick womanhood.
Because God Blessed me with so much pain and suffering, showing me daily the result of birth-control (treating self and others as soulless meat-machines instead of Images of God blessed with His Love) and result of murdering our Blessed-Given unborn for convivence or whim, I have a good idea of where the source of more than 80% of world-wide evil and needless or intentional suffering and death come through, and it is not men.
Or wasn't men until insane fatherhood and masculinity was murdered with our babies, siblings, neighbors, possible spouses, etc. became 'normal' and even 'praiseworthy' rewarded.
Public tasering pain and shame Loving Correction for 15+ yo of community and personal damage of by lies, unkept promises, unTruth, vicious gossip, .. from either sex, and a form of Taser-duel where both suffer increasing pain until the most offended decides she pissed and screamed enough to not disrespect or offend again.
Again in the 1970s I was introduced to another view of the "fall" of Oscar Wilde. Now the narrative is of course that he was some sort of saintly pioneer with his love affair with Bosie. His wife and children more or less airbrushed out of sight. In a sense an early example of bravely following his own desires. However the actual story is rather more prosaic. Having lost his case against Lord Queensbury, because the noble lord proved the accusation was accurate.
The proof of being a "sodomite" thus displayed in court caused his arrest under The Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 As it is described in the Act "An Act to make further provision for the Protection of Women and Girls, the suppression of brothels, and other purposes," The actual process of this act had been rather long and convoluted. It was linked to child prostitution and trafficking and Social Purity Groups, the early NSPCC and feminists such as Josephine Butler. Given it was mainly about "Protection of Women and Girls" how did it come to nab Oscar Wilde. Well that was Section 11 the "Labouchere Amendment" which was supported by the same groups including feminists which clearly stated homosexual behaviour was a social ill because married men were derelict in their duty to their wives and children if they went off with "rent boys" (male prostitutes) as much as if they went with female prostitutes (another target of the Act).
So Oscar Wilde was convicted because his failed libel case had proven he had a string of male prostitutes ("unemployed young men") some of whom testified at his criminal trial. "Bosie" had fled and so their was no romantic declarations of "love" rather a parade of sordid times in London Hotels. At the time there was huge sympathy for his Wife and Children as he was the archetypal Victorian pillar of society who had followed his lust to the ruin of him and his family.
In an early example of "intersectionality" Wilde was an early catch for a law heavily lobbied for by women's groups and feminists seeking to protect women and girls from toxic masculinity!
Oddly enough when I returned to taking an interest in feminist writings, after my family had grown up, this crowing about the lobbying by women for this Act to clean up London and stop men following their lustful desires to the detriment of their responsibilities to wives and children, was absent. Possibly not fitting the narrative ........
When researching the Curse and Poison of universal suffrage I was surprised that the Amendment for women's suffrage was passed while the anti-liberty Hyper-empowerment of our hugely expanded powers and size Satanic Federal Government - the Sickening Feminist anti-male anti-family disOrdering further GreatSatan Corporate-Womanhood 5th column against Natural Law and Christian values-based Right Order, Justice, Truth, and Subsidiarity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity_(Catholicism) that Prohibition existed.
Prohibition that caused so much suffering, blindness, unrestrained drinking, crime, .., made nearly every man and many women instant criminals, debasing our Constitution and mankind's Right-Ordered society, gonad-crushing father-man-children hating reality that 'Outed' the Sickness spreading through womanhood, society, government, many religious sects - the display of women's deep lying Darken murderous grasping unLoving unending-State-growing destroying souls that are so easily manipulated into Satanic goals ..
.. how many men gave-up seats to women in life-boats on Titanic, and how many women gave up their seats to children, with each seat could have saved 2 or 3 children?
"The differences by gender were even bigger: nearly all female crew members, first- and second-class passengers were saved. Men from the First Class died at a higher rate than women from the Third Class.[237] In total, 50% of the children survived, 20% of the men and 75% of the women." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic#Survivors_and_victims
The surprise is that women were given a privilege they did not earn, could not use wisely, but over generations of Witch-directions and expansions of This Federal GreatSatan, such delusional lying grasping baby-murdering men-enslaving and hate-filled psycho-FemNazi retarded self-children-men mutilating golems of unTruth, inJustice, disOrder, Love-Joy-Hope murdering Machines-from and into Hell.
Don't get me wrong, like typical fatherless castrated mind-raped baby-murdering-accepting insane male-hating male-fearing Genocidal accepting and supporting walking demon-directed cnts that most are, assuming the worst in men and others - so the vileness and demonic-whispers in themselves seem less ..
.. what I suggest is that No one should vote, work or run for Gov, be on Jury, manage others, .., or have power over others until they display self-sacrificing virtue, through years of Service to God, Church, Man, families, societies, Nations, Truth, Justice, and Good Order - for example.
To answer my own question, for anyone interested, in 1872 ballots were still being printed by the political parties, not the states themselves as today. Victoria Woodhull's problem was not "getting on the ballot", but finding any men willing to cast those ballots. (This was also Lincoln's problem in the South in 1860; he wasn't "kept off", just not placed on.)
Perhaps that, and not sheer presumption on her part, is why she "nominated" Frederick Douglass as her running mate without his consent, or even knowledge. Douglass was too busy campaigning and serving as an elector for Ulysses S Grant:
" .. is why she "nominated" Frederick Douglass as her running mate without his consent, or even knowledge. .." - What Reg!? Say it ain't so Joe!
Are you suggesting that a woman seeking power was trying to suck-off a hard-working man, without care if it might unJustly damage his ability to secede 'behind his back', damaging his reputation by false-witnessing her otherwise slimy actions and sick-beliefs as supported and linked to him?
What a difference from the back-stabbing father-children-family destroying self-centered lying torturing Divorce-rape route, Or the get pregnant and trap most wealthy, or the next in line, and if failed to trap, hire witches to torture unborn to death silently screaming, and try it again, Or the false-rape accusation in public or private (and unknown to him) reputation and life destroying so to remove him from merit-hardwork earned position so she or some other vile slimy lying woman can advance.
So, we learn of more ways of disHonorable Sickness they practice, above the law and uncorrectable.
How many people hear of a school or workplace shooting and realize the Sick vile womanhood behind it - that he was most likely driven by Witches and their man-hating minions that were torturing him for pleasure, masturbating to each suffering day they caused and enjoyed, with the peak-Orgasm when they hear of his suicide?
"Feminist pundit and academic Wednesday Martin, a self-described 'social researcher' (PhD in comparative literature) has defended women’s need for sexual variety, claiming that women have a harder time than men with monogamy, which she described as 'a tighter shoe' for them. She reports that most women’s desire for their mates drops dramatically between years one and three of a relationship, creating unique female hardships. 'We have to deal with the fact that women like variety and novelty and adventure...'"
This strikes me as possibly an instance of the Nietzschean impulse to create a philosophy that mirrors one's own idiosyncrasies (and flaws).
No, I don't believe that women have a greater desire for "variety and novelty and adventure" than men. Every piece of relevant social science data seems to say the opposite.
I'm disturbed at how easily people confuse what THEY want or what might be good for them with what is best for society. You can desire polyamory and still recognize that monogamous relationships are a solid basis for society (and polyamorous ones are not... where are the historical precedents?). It's truly discouraging how few people are able to hold competing ideas at different levels in their minds at once.
Everyone needs shame. Everyone needs expectations. Everyone needs duty. Without those elements you're on a long path to misery, and you probably won't even discern your destination until it's far too late. Especially (keeping in mind the biological timelines involved) if you're a woman.
The notion that women's libido is just as strong and exacting as men's seems utterly preposterous.
Of course, for decades, pundits told us that men's stronger sexual desire must never be evoked to justify any wrong, even something as momentary and innocuous as an unsolicited kiss or touch.
Now that it's women's allegedly stronger sexual desire being talked of, however, it justifies nearly anything!
Not necessarily. Research from neuroscientists demonstrates women respond differently to sexual promiscuity than men. Once women have too many sexual partners they lose the ability to bond with any man due to the abuse of oxytocin, the "love hormone". Oxytocin is needed for building a sense of bonding and emotional intimacy and is involuntarily secreted during sex. The process seems to be like abuse of dopamine thanks to porn or drugs. The mechanisms break.
When this happens women experience boredom more quickly and this can be interpreted incorrectly as need for novelty. This is the trap for any hedonist and is not limited to women. But women can abuse sex more easily than men as men have to work hard to sleep with any women. We a similar thing with young men and pornography.
That’s a good point. It makes sense to say “men get turned on more easily, but women get turned off more easily” — and for someone who is in a relationship, “getting turned off” is functionally identical to a “need for novelty.”
We don’t need to believe that single women desire promiscuity as much as single men in order to believe the above — it’s two totally different phenomena that can be difficult to distinguish in certain circumstances.
Young women seek connection, just like most women. But they have been told acting like men works for them too, which it doesn't.
But yes, boredom due to frazzled neurons will feel like the need for novelty. But if it really is neurotransmitter saturation there is probably no hope.
Yes, Spaceman, but there's probably an additional reason for hopelessness. As women have been saying for decades about men, indifference toward, and exploitation, of anyone--let alone half the population--is inherently dehumanizing and therefore profoundly immoral. Because moral agency is just as deeply rooted in human nature as any neurotransmitter, given the reliance of our species on culture, I conclude that these women indulge in folly without even the excuse of incels (who must admit and lament their own inability to attract mates).
Claims about human behavior not based on falsififiable research in either the natural or social sciences are not worth the electrons they’re stored on.
That includes both psychology and social "sciences"
you think she's an influence for Wednesday Addams?
I think this is on point:
https://open.substack.com/pub/soberchristiangentlemanpodcast/p/essay-hidden-dangers-of-pornography?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=31s3eo
Cat and Nat and their ilk won’t have to worry much longer. Their attitudes toward boys and men have contributed to a world where male interest in and sexual desire for women is falling to an all-time low. If things continue along this path, MGTOW followers will just be known as “normal guys.”
Ha! Was just going to comment much the same. Laughed out loud at Ms. Lester stating: " marriage is holding [women] back from living the life they want to live.” I'm thinking: that's probably not going to be a problem for you ladies, as there ain't many men left interested in marrying you. Or dating you. Or dealing with you at all.
I want to reach my full potential, but I need your house and a slice of your pension to do so
A BIG slice.
Mr. Bowles, are you seriously suggesting that these women, who claim to be independent, bougie 'n shit, need'n no man, "aint putt'n up no moh wit deez broke ass &!*@$" need to finance their own misadventures? Heresy I say!
Women's TikTok videos and the much despised manosphere have finally woken men up to the true nature of modern Western women and to the gynocentric legal system governing marriage & divorce.
Jeffrey. Please don’t be mislead by these publicity seeking gyrocentric women. The vast majority are like me. They love their husbands and children, feel overwhelming desire for that husband even after forty years of marriage. The shared experiences, love, interests, adventure and best friends status of happily married couples is far more common that the gadfly, selfish and hypocritical stance of these ridiculous and thankfully rare, silly, selfish women.
Do be aware though that there are many similar silly, selfish men around too. ‘Be like the bee, sup and slip from flower to flower’ is so applicable to some men and has been facilitated by the equally silly rejection of loving, caring and enduring marriages by some women.
I loved my husband and he loved me. In sickness and in health. In learning what pleased us both. In sharing commitment, security, uninhibited laughter and passion. In companiable reading, immersed in our individual books. In sharing interests, friends and togetherness solitude.
Marriage is made for both men and women and its rejection is rarely good for either sex.
Shew! Thaaaank you for this comment! I'm in such an awful place these days with regards to dating and deep, nearly debilitating loneliness. And all I keep seeing are articles like this. It's so unbearably soul crushing.
Things have changed, dear lady.
Even over the past decade, let alone from 40 years ago.
Jeffrey, I am not too sure about that. We read about the loud exceptions rather than the contented majority. When did you ever read a newspaper headline that read, “ The Whole Country is pleased with the Government’s Stance on Taxation, Healthcare and Education”. Or, “Married Couples are Known to Have Better Lives than Cohabiting Adults.” None of that is exciting or readable so news generally consists of bad news and uncommon events and ideologies. Therefore, we read all sorts of horrible things and assume that apart from the normalcy of our lives, everything else is “Going to hell in a hand basket” (Great Expression). A lot of the sensational stuff is exceptional which is why it’s printed, videoed and touted as being a mantra that all readers should adopt. As for me and most of my married friends- we like it as it is and we are boringly happy with flares of wonderful unity.
Balanced comments, once again I’m reminded of how different to other social media this space usually is.
Yvonne- I think the wonderful and good hearted women who may think as you do are snapped up young and are having families (not enough though to save us). But, after a certain age, what 29, 30? the single ladies have high body counts, regard men as disposable and their sexuality as an ATM. Free meals, dates, trips, presents and for little effort.
It’s certainly true that the top 20% of single guys will play the field, tall, good looking chads with money and social capital, they are the ones that the 80% of hypergamous women go for, these men are getting lots of sex but there is no advantage to them of settling down, while the buffet is still open.
Modern women did this, fueled by social media and dating apps. Men do not talk about “settling” but women do. Settling is marrying a 6 when they think they deserve a 10, as after all, a 10 fucked them one weekend back in Malaga. Entitlement. Because we’re worth it. That is exclusively female, us average joes are usually just glad to have someone nice.
I have afeeling that divorce is the norm these days- far too easy and far too socially aceptable. But of course, it's because of male violence...
Sometimes it is. Not that frequently though.
This is a lovely comment Yvonne! We need to hear positive marriage stories. There is a lot of talk about trials and issues and those are real but what I feel can be missing is the joys and the love shared! Thank you
They seem oblivious too. Outing themselves at every turn and in 4k.
Narcissism run wild in those two. What kind of men are they married to who will stand for being humiliated, disrespected and disgraced by these two infantile, sorry, warning I'm going to use the b-word, bitches? Smug, self-righteous, ridiculous, slutty and vulgar. Any man with an ounce of self-respect wouldn't get within miles of either one of them, or the women who give credence to what they say and do. Cats and wine boxes are in their futures.
There are (last time I counted) seven beautiful children between them. On top of the strong possibility that the husbands love their wives despite their disgusting YouTube antics, they certainly don't want to lose their children.
Cat and Nat are a great argument for father custody.
I suspect they married their mothers. It would certainly explain the lack of self respect and the likelihood of adulation towards women.
"A MAN with self-respect wouldn't get within miles of either one of them"
END OF STORY!
I’d throw my wife out immediately if she posted videos (even one video) like that. There’s no coming back from public disrespect and humiliation like that. Those relationships are toast.
James, I think I am suggesting that financial enrichment drives womens’ choice to divorce. Shocking I know.
I take it you are aware of Schrödinger’s Feminist? Simultaneously “Strong and independent” & Victim of the patriarchy at the same time.
A definite oxymoron Nick. Love the phrase “Schrodinger’s Feminist”.
Let’s be honest though. There’s lots of horrible men around . I am fortunate enough not to have met many of them.
Women are now being encouraged to behave badly and celebrated for it. It can just be an attitude sometimes.
Men are told they're always bad no matter what they do. So, I think there are more badly behaved women today than men.
Don’t actually agree. I would say it’s about 50-50. . I am not speaking of all men and women. The proportion of happy and enduring marriages as compared to the awful ones is about 85%. You never hear of these as there’s nothing noteworthy about happy contentment.
Your repeated juxtaposition of actual reality and the media-biased perception of it is extremely important because it is perhaps the central epistemic challenge of our time.
Hi Yvonne, thanks for your comment. It’s true, a lotta people are shits these days! I’m certain somewhere on Substack there’ll be a piece on the generalised loss of civics, pride, respect for self and others and indeed even reduced chivalrous behavior (not that I think the latter is desirable, it’s subservient). People do seem more angry, selfish and short term, the reptile brain is in charge.
Is there a sex difference, I don’t see men saying that women are the cause of our loss (of kindness, civics, our whole Society), no men call on social media for white women to be killed, there is no phrase “toxic femininity” although it exists. Feminists say misandry doesn’t exist just as blacks say it’s not racist to hate whites, same rationale rooted in their victimhood.
I haven’t got any answers but if everyone could manage to be kind to each other that would be a quantum shift (thanks Jerry Garcia).
Over-sexed, underloved super, entitled women wanting to live out T.V. fantasies of a reality show where they are seen and desired and wanted.....what a mess.
Superb, great analysis. Well said Sober Christian Gentleman
Spot on.
Came here for this- I believe the Red Pilled term is 'Hypergamy'. The proposed reason is that women naturally get bored and look for something fresh on the menu to shake up the gene pool or smth. I never knew there was all this evidence- damn!
Any woman, no matter how attractive or unattractive, could sit at a bar with a sign around her neck saying, 'Free Sex Here', and she would have a long line of sexually desperate men going out the door.
The same couldn't be said for a man doing that.
It is not an achievement for a woman to indulge in 'free love'. If anything she is only confirming that some men will bang anything. Which kind of contradicts that assertion that women have higher libidos than men.
But, yes, the unrelenting ingratitude (and convenient blindspot), for everything men do for women is off the charts. My own personal belief is that gratitude is a precondition to contentment and happiness, so I can understand why these women are miserable. A self-inflicted misery.
It seems so many women want to be Cinderella: a woman permanently put-upon, harried, unvalued and innocent, just waiting for everyone else to get their shit together to release her and have everyone love her.
(Oddly, apart from her ability to clean, Cinderella is actually useless. It's everyone else who does the work to reveal her inherent value. Poor Jack has to climb beanstalks and slay giants to be valued).
Spot on. And if you're successful you owe that to your wife. I was only successful by my willingness to work slavishly for my family to support them. She could never understand the hardships. My work ethic is my own and nobody else's. As they say men are only valued for what they provide and then it's never enough. And marriage counsellors side with women as it's the flavour of the month. Don't expect understanding from them. We are on our own as it's always been.
Always? Maybe over the last fifty years. Historically and cross-culturally, though, men and women have always been economically and socially interdependent. This is necessary for both the children and for the community as a whole. What's going on now in modern or postmodern societies is an aberration, not the norm.
True, so true that is like a slap in the face (pun intended)
Western women have become liberated from their "oppression" and what are they doing with it? Banging strangers as often as they can, breaking up families to pursue sexual adventures, and milking whatever source of funds they can find, from chumps to government, with zero conscience. Sluts, unfit mothers and thieves; not the best advert for women's liberation. So much for the fairer sex.
All these behaviors are enabled by affluence. They are fixed by poverty and the interdependencies it encourages. Most of our grandmothers did not behave like this.
The poverty will come from the collapse that follows the fracture in society caused by feminism and the unleashing of female lust with few responsibilities attached. Despite their incessant screeching this is not how men behave and if they did we would have no society.
How did it come to this?
I don't like to link to other articles from other (subbers? stackers?) writers, but there is an absolutely phenomenal article that does an excellent job exploring- and talking in detail about feminism, the patriarchy, why the patriarchy needs to exist and why the feminists want to be continuously discover new kinds of oppression. I will leave it here in the hopes that 1) Janice doesn't delete it, and 2) even better would be if she would read that article (as well as everyone else in this comment section).
https://savageminds.substack.com/p/feminists-fetishistic-disavowal
I definitely will not delete it and am happy to have it here (haven't read it yet, but will do later tonight). Thank you.
Really interesting article thanks for including. I think it unnecessarily long and repeats the same concepts too many times but it is very interesting and I think very accurate.
After major strides and societal change, as you say "affluence" reacted with Third Wave Feminism, Critical Theory, and Theories of Oppression / Patriarchy to arrive at an entitled mob of women of all ages intent on living an experientialist life with no thought to responsibilities or the broader society at large. In a word, nihilism.
It has always been understood women rarely think of the common good, only of themselves. It is men who think, what would be good for society, while women ask what would be good for me? The rest is theater.
Absolutely, but articulating it will bring about instant rage and shaming. No one can be honest, this is the basis of most of the world’s problems. Now with the Matriarchy running the show, nothing works and everyone and everything is out of control. Yet no one will do a thing to change it? If girls and women had to face consequences for their actions and choices in life the way that men do, perhaps things would at least level off. Men are some of the biggest enablers of female antics and excess, don’t seeing that changing anytime soon?!
Things are crapping out but that's the fault of men of course.
Poverty and collapse are the likely correctors, not well meaning changes. It is hardship that resets things. That is our only hope at this stage.
I'd expand your idea. Though not an avid evolutionary psychologist, I do think that women evolved to seek the most favorable conditions for their own children (though not necessarily for the children of other women or for society as a whole). You could argue that, by extension, the welfare of their own children is closely linked with their own welfare, but that would require speculation.
The welfare of one's children depends on the welfare of the community they inhabit.
Yes but not all people care about the implications of behavior. That's why they send their own children to private schools, for example, instead of ensuring the excellence of public schools.
It would infer an evolutionary advantage. So it makes sense.
Well put. Theatre or drama?
Well, a performance. Fakery. Nonsense.
Agreed. You forgot killing babies created during their hedonism. 1 million in USA alone last year.
Oh and 50% of sexually active black American women have herpes.
Astonishing statistics. We are truly lost.
They are lost brother. Not we. Eat well, walk in the sun, lift, travel, make your nest egg and disappear. That was my plan, done it, off grid on my own land, single, miss having someone to care about but if they don’t care about you we are fools for even trying.
In my experience, I don't need "they." I need one woman who appreciates me and whom I appreciate. She is rare. It's like finding a gemstone in a pile of rubble, but I found her.
50%? Did they survey the passive ones?
Trying to be deadly serious.
A mathematician threatens the whole testing industry, with the temerity to question the very foundations of physicians working towards the public good.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4326726/
Mrs Fiamengo it links to an article covering the dispute about a math person saying the reason for more positive tests in certain populations have a source in algorithm and not biology. The writer describes denialists and the harm they have done. The denialists stand in line and make raspberries at him, by sticking their tongues out slightly, and vibrating their lips. very dramatic.
What is striking is all these women talking about me, me, me and never a word about giving pleasure to the men they presumably love, or once loved. Never a word about sex as a means of connection, love, mutual enjoyment. No hint of generosity, no sense of obligation, commitment to a marriage. With this message being so thoroughly promoted in our culture, it is no wonder men are increasingly wary of marriage. Such women are all destined to become cat ladies... and good riddance.
So true, Bettina. You have written about this very compellingly over the years.
Thanks Janice for bringing this all together. Some of this was new to me. Gracious.
What struck me was that not so many years ago the rage was in shaming and blaming men who sought out affairs due to their wives unwillingness to have sex. What terrible people to do something like that! Now it seems, its ok, as long as you are a woman.
Yes one couldn't have "dead beat dads" without the notion of responsibility. And without this notion how can you extract alimony and child support if the man has fallen out of lurve with his wife and is indulging his "right" to find himself.
The communists are very successful at destroying marriage from both ends. The target is the destruction of family, you are in the way....
Anything goes - as long as you are a woman.
Perpetual hall pass... in their power fantasies.....
This rejection of sanity, [Christian] virtues, truth, justice, good order, Love, and even of life by modern Western womanhood should help us all understand past events or cultural-religious practices that have been labeled 'bad'.
It seems clear to me that first Birth-Control and then Forced Nationalize Religion of legal unborn torturing to death sacrifices to Satan, to womanhood's' lust, lies, manipulation, power, childhood soul-killing, the generations of us raised to accept and even reward the demonization Fatherhood, Manhood, Honor, traditional values and virtues, and murder of our unborn children, siblings, possible life-long friends and spouses, .., to force acceptance of the generational-increasing insanaties from crib, [functionally] fatherless - with threat of no-fault divorce rape and torture of fathers, children, societies, by them and their Satanic State 'husbands', and now open Genocide and children's mind-soul sexual mutilations.
Anyone old enough to remember the early 1970s Sane culture when older women, mothers, fathers, men and children, Government, Corporations, Professionals, and significant Institutions publicly expressed Men's values; Truth, Justice, good-Order, Charity, helping-others, ..., and then watched how society and Government Sickened as womanhood became Sick and un-manageable and unLoving, and they raised generations of anti-virtue baby-murdering increasingly delusional unTrue, unJust, disOrdering, fatherhood and manhood destroying hyper-empowered Poison-Spreading soul-Castrating psychotic un-correctable and unLovable.
And explain to me how a Sane and Loving cultures of Christian virtue-based raised societies from hundreds of years ago when Man was known to be made in God's Image and our souls to be Loved and Guided to Perfect Love, Union, Communion with God and for Him and us all, with each other ..
.. Explain how Witches were not real back then even though we all are forced to suffer them daily from crib to tormented suicides and war-murdered and sicked to death?
The 1/3 Parental Fraud National Blood Bank studies, and the huge False-Rape accusations filed with police, and entire Sick womanhood and gov and institutions and corporations and societies' assumed guilt of accused (by women) and reminder of life with 'arrested for rape' on background checks destroying his life, and the lying vile vicious slimy false accusers rarely punished and often rewarded ..
.. so how are the Islam societies wrong in Stoning to Death such false-witnessers (or either sex) or valuing women's testimony much less in some situations?
And perhaps we may understand how Female Genital Mutilation might be considered as a step to assist women and society to be healthier, After all, mothers mutilation our future hopes, successes, freedoms, and our male genitals and minds and souls seems a Witch-Driven National pass-time.
Hate Speach? As a white Christian virtue-based value raised male, when the F- were we not being vomited on my mothers, women professionals and others, society, courts, ... since crib? Our Fathers and other decent men driven away so we helpless to this kind of abuse?
Men, Fathers, Brothers, Uncles, .. driven away because they know what real Love is and the women that did or do know what Love is, was because they had them in their lives before Modern womanhood Sickness Poisoned their families and societies.
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Related - recently I argued with ChatGPT AI about older womanhood after being convinced by it how powerful a role in families, communities, and societies they have been in keeping traditions and directing and maintaining good healthy habits and virtues through historical retellings and guidance to those younger members (while the AI never mentioned the older men's similar role and importance, BTW)
But when I started asking about their negative powers for harm and destruction, for example that widespread their ideology and 'wisdom' became Sick and Baby-murderously insane, say for example if some kind of false belief system justifying resentment, fear, hatred, and attacks against families' and societies' benefactors and maintainers of Truth, Justice, and Good Order, .. let us call it 'Feminism' ..
.. Oh my goodness, ChatGPT insulted me by suggesting that we could only discuss things that were respectful and reasonable, .. after telling me all about toxic-masculinity, BTW.
And forget my hypothetic suggestions that if such an incredible situation occurred that it would parallel what Theologians argue about why God sent the Flood, or destroyed Sodom and Gomorra, that the Poison ran so deep and wide that no child would not suffer and become a horrible lost sick soul from such a society so Sickened by baby-murdering insane delusional psychotic poisonous spewing older women.
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.. That perhaps the only 'hope' we have to return to sanity is if God sent a real pandemic that kills all women at menopause and those already past for 4-5 generations to cleanse that insane murderous Witches and their Toxic Poisons they spread through their extended families, friends' children especially young women, other women in social and political and employments connected and often the most sick are in positions of power they abuse men from, or advance the resentment based forced policies of poverty 'hire not white men, remove existing white men, fill with meritless minorities and vicious manhating virtueless women' ..
.. unwritten business policies that for generations have effective killed (aborted before formed) families when white men cannot afford wife and family, barely can live alone or homeless when educated and-or skilled with good histories as employees. Effectively throughout white indigenous nations sterilizing no-child situations so population percentage of whites in world dropped from was 29% in 1950, to today's studies report from white world-wide population at from 15% down to 9%. Good Job white man-hating inhuman baby murdering walking bags of poisonous vomit; our mothers, aunts, grandmothers, women co-workers, managers, Judges, law-makers, educator, administrator, and every non-sweaty non-stinking non-deadly well-paid vag-card-required 'professional' shitting in every common soup-pot, crushing the testicles of every display of the slightest healthy manhood and every boy to castrate his mind-body-soul.
St. Thomas Aquinas and other theologians of that period defines how sin harms us, our intellect is darkened, our judgements distorted, imprudence expands, memory damaged, .., the more a person defines Sin is good, the more mental faculties are damage.
It is not hard to expand this rational understanding of crippled mental faculties in the damage that raising children from crib to accept and even celebrate insanities as 'normal', generation after generation the more the West has become functionally insane. Raise a child to accept that mom or any mother can hire Witches to torture our brothers & Sisters, our sons and daughters, or possible wives and husbands, .. to death, ripping them apart while they silently scream .. is insane, yet children are forced to accept it because psychotic mom 'loves' us and hurts us if we don't accept it. Then sexually mutilating minds-bodies-souls of children and damaged adults, then killing old people and depressed people and .., and .. what? Accepting open public televised genocide?
Modern Western Womanhood, State, Corporate, Institutions, and 'Professionals' and most raised by them are mind-raped and morally and intellectually retarded.
And so, perhaps this Article's subject might be the result of some of these causes.
I long for the husbands of these women to give them the consequences they deserve for being so sadistic.
This is sadism. It's not anything but sadism. They are deliberately humiliating their husbands, and they know they are.
Any man who puts up with a sadistic twat like that deserves it, I suppose.
I don't think they deserve it necessarily. I expect they do not wish to be taken to the cleaners financially and to lose contact with their children. I have known many men trapped in awful marriages with psychologically abusive women for these reasons.
My father, for one!
Indeed. Passive aggressive sadism. These are the actions of women who expect no consequences, which seems to be the real feminist ideal. Do anything you wish and zero responsibility for what happens.
Read Rotating Polyandry and Its Enforcers by Roger Devlin.
'Rotating Polyandry...' is a great piece of writing summarizing hugely important research. Thanks for that.
You’re welcome. You might like Roger Devlin’s full collection of essays titled Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization. He linked this essay by Janice to a site he writes on.
Me too--thanks. I'd better take a look at Sexual Utopia in Power.
Welcome. This essay of yours reminded me of “Rotating Polyandry,” which is commentary on Michelle Langley’s Female Infidelity and Stephen Baskerville’s Taken Into Custody, and another essay of his, “Back to Africa: Sexual Atavism in the West,” in which he discusses this maladaptive sexual free-for-all we’re living through. I also suggest The Case for Father Custody by Dr. Daniel Amneus, in which he discusses what you have here. https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/sexual-utopia-in-power-f-roger-devlin/1122081520?ean=9781642641554
Beta males.
Thanks for another well-researched, powerful piece Professor Fiamengo.
I have been thinking about the need for civilized law to constrain potentially destructive aspects of instinct-driven behaviour. Lots of such laws exist and are enforced to constrain male behaviour such as aggression, sexual predation and other testosterone-urged behaviours. But the 'sugar and spice' mythology seems to have led us to believe that women's urges need no constraint, for example that we should accept and celebrate women's exploitation of their advantage in the sexual sphere because they are the limited reproductive resource. "Western' countries have removed most controls and consequences for sexual exploitation by women; they are rewarded with the right to enslave financially the men they deceive into impregnating them, whether by false claims they are taking a contraceptive pill or by secretly using the sperm from a condom. Limits on prostitution have been relaxed or removed, legalizing deceitful manipulation by attractive whores who pretend they are just looking for a date or who convince gullible customers to feel they are special and that they have a meaningful relationship with the woman. 'Western' countries have now legalized theft by women of half or more of the assets of any man who was foolish enough to let her live in his house, assets he earned before even meeting the woman. No constraint there needed, it seems, on women's avarice. 'Western' countries have also step-wise increased the ability of women to use forces of the state to harm men through false allegations that now need no corroboration whatsoever. Women are always honest it seems, and there is no need for our laws to recognize or to limit women's sense of justification for harming men through lies on the basis that they are more vulnerable physically and economically.
I predict that the need for constraint on women will become ever more apparent. Whether we are wise enough to act on this remains to be seen.
Well said. It is remarkable how committed we have become to pretending that restraints on women's behavior are oppressive while restraints on men's behavior are necessary both for the protection of women and for civilized life generally. Few seem to believe that men should be protected from duplicitous, avaricious, or vengeful women; or that children should be protected from their selfishness and amorality.
Wow. Great stuff. This is why I’m not on X.
I think it's time for me to write a follow-up to the fantasy of female power, focusing on shame and attention-seeking and sympathy-getting and the endless, endless feminine displays on social media.
https://jmpolemic.substack.com/p/the-fantasy-of-female-power
There's a modern convention that encourages women to babble, emote (even cry), confess, etc. into their camera (I call the resulting collective of emotional, extroverted, conformist femininity 'The Hive'). In these displays we learn the truth: there is no impulse or desire which is now considered to be unseemly or shameful for women if those impulses are for their own gratification or benefit.
We used to have a social order in which rights were balanced with duties and status was balanced with shame. When it comes to many professional women there is no CULTURAL shame (around the things they might want to do), and there are also no duties. Every person an island... the dream of the modern world. Hooray.
https://jmpolemic.substack.com/p/serenity-self-indulgence
"There is no impulse or desire which is now considered to be unseemly or shameful for women if those impulses are for their own gratification or benefit." Astounding but true.
“Men have sacrificed and crippled themselves physically and emotionally to feed, house, and protect women and children. None of their pain or achievement is registered in feminist rhetoric, which portrays men as oppressive and callous exploiters.” ― Camille Paglia
I love Camille!
So do I, Janice. No sentimental, romantic or idealized nonsense from her! Sexual Personae, insightful and funny, is among my favorite books on men and women. Like our ancient and not-so-ancient ancestors, she associates women (or female sexuality) with the watery abyss or primeval ooze and potential chaos. She associates men (or male sexuality), on the other hand, with hardness or firmness and potential order. Both nature and culture present problems for the individual and for the community. In tandem, though, both present the promise of healthy and enduring communities. This is why we need to bind both sexes in a social contract that, fostering gratitude and interdependence, establishes a basic level of reciprocity.
From the sublime, as it were, to the ridiculous: Has anyone read Beyond Power: On Women, Men and Morals (1985), by Marilyn French? It's a kind of Summa Feministica, a catalogue of the countless ways in which femaleness (in every sexual species) is superior to maleness and therefore that women are innately superior to men. Along the way, she argues that female sexuality in particular, is focused on pleasure (or life) and male sexuality on power over others (conquest and death). Her feminist utopia, therefore, is not only a feminist one but also (at least for women) a hedonistic one.
So well said, Paul.
I have not read *Beyond Power.* I confess that I never read Marilyn French at all. I am ordering it now. She must be in the line of Frances Swiney, a 19th century British feminist and Theosophist who wrote *The Awakening of Women; Or, Women's Part in Evolution* (1899), arguing that women were the future of humanity, superior to men in every way, physically, intellectually, emotionally, morally, spiritually, etc. Where men tear down, women build up; men are for death, power, war; women for life, mutuality, peace; in the sexual realm, she had a lot to say also, similar to French though with a Victorian gloss of purity and self-restraint.
Much of what you, Janice, write about is caused by widespread ignorance of the male and female, in women at first it seems, not caring for truth but wanting to believe anything that presents them as better - often by reputationally destroying manhood, and such delusional lies passed on by the Divorce-raping mothers and family destroying Federal Gov Welfare and State courts, anti-Christian values-driving media and corporations.
The men that have procreated through history valued truth, justice, order, trustworthiness, honor, hard work, charity, providing and protecting, mentoring, educating, etc. When men do well then, the women and children in family and community are cared-for. Unlike today, gov pushed by women voters steel and life-suck men's and families' blood-sweet-tears-deaths in wages (taxes) and destroy fatherhood-children's relationships, single mothers - often with child-abusing boy-friends - fail raising well-rounded children to adults, filling children with and not protecting them from feminist-commie-Globalists lies and mind-body-soul mutilations. Nearly 50% of all children in USA grow-up without fathers. Without the Truth and the Love we all need to be successful in life.
What have women needed to value to procreate?
Men and fathers will teach the truth to children, regardless of hurtie-feelies because fathers and men teachers mentor and show them how to be a successful adult, even if the truth upsets them. Many of our last few generations of children left home filled with soul-success-hope-truth murdering lies our mothers, older sisters, aunts, media, women teachers, gov, 'Professionals', .. filled us with.
I have seen little real Love from women since mid 1980's and my move to this GodLess Witch-ruled State. Love is the form of true-telling despite the short-term Feelies, but truth that will help the other live better and more successfully, not harming or destroying themselves and others because they believe lies, .. like the horror that too many women support and attack men that Stand in Love against it, 'sex is a choice, sexual mutilation is okay, or pretending other sex is healthy, that refusing such insanity will likely cause suicide (when opposite is true)' Or that life killing and soul mutilating and insanity causing belief that mothers may kill our babies, silently screaming while being ripped apart, for any reason - failed entrapment, whim, drunken 2am bar-hopping 'rape',... ( older women in my family that suffer today in retirement for the killing they did in late teens!)
Those of us that were raised in the 1960s and 1970s before the insanities of Hyper-empowered mind-raped raised women meritlessly Quota-filled penetrated in all significant institutions, lawmaking, judges, executives, management, and co-workers that rejected the highly successful merit skill and competency hierarchy traditional ways - were women and minorities were rare but existed if-and-only-if they had similar merit values skills work-ethics as the white Christian virtue-based values raised men .. falsely demonized system because they rarely tried and often could not compete so pretended it was sexist and-or racists, destroyed the goodness and replaced with 'yappy meritless lying unJust reputational destroying back-stabbing cock-stroking sexist and racist [white] man-hating toxic system that they could advance in because they Sick hate filled resent filled ignorant mind-raped minions of Witches and Satan.
Compete and win on the bases of disHonor, lies, tit-flashing, back-stabbing, .. win in ways that a decent man would not allow or join in - except facing homelessness and medical insurance for family and self.
"I love Camille!"
She and Twilight Zone's Rod Serling grew up in neighboring towns. Something stronger than fluoride must have been in the water. Vitamin A for vision, perhaps.
They can proclaim the lifestyle, but the results are in and they are disappointing. They don’t lead to more happiness and health, but less happiness and health.
However, what they say has some small, and maybe even important, nugget of truth. Monogamy, very strict, is absolutely best for society. And 100% best for children. This is easily empirically shown. Constraining oneself isn’t 100% good for any individual though. Sometimes it is. Some times it might not be.
This topic is a far more complicated issue than we admit and really deserves nuanced discussion. Not least of which is why women are attracted sexually, and why men are. What a man means when he says ‘I love you’ and what a woman means. And why women cheat and why they don’t.
We talk around these subjects and blame one side or the other but we don’t really discuss them.
There are real issues here related to women's difficulties with monogamy: both the fading of desire for their partner and, sometimes, the development of passions for others.
Lacking a religious framework and/or deeply held personal morality backed by social sanction, these are intractable problems; and even with those, it's not easy.
Part of the problem is our belief that life should be easy for women--or, at least, shouldn't be hard. We don't worry about men in that way. Jordan Peterson's talk about bearing burdens is usually directed only at young men.
We won't be able to have nuanced discussions of these issues until women en masse agree to behave like grownups. I suspect they won't do so until they are forced to do so; or kept under strict surveillance, like the half-children they now mostly show themselves to be.
Would be interesting to see their reactions if their men saw other women for their pleasures.
I'm willing to bet it wouldn't go down very well.
Of course because they might then leave the women. I think the truth is that without thinking the women simply assume their men will always be supporting them. Or "someone" will, increasingly here in the UK the taxpayer.
Men can’t afford to leave, he will be in a bedsit or sleeping in his office, like I was, for months when my divorce was happening, ironically it was my best period professionally as I worked till midnight most nights as the floor was so hard and the security guards stopped coming found at midnight. I got promoted and laid the foundations for my own business, leaving that office forever and retired at 45. My ex still works now, ha ha
I'm glad you worked through the horror and were successful.
That's very kind, thank you. Yes, everything that followed goes back to that time.
One fragment you'll appreciate I think, is that one day I was busted by a female colleague who discovered I was sleeping in my office (it was manageable, I had a WC down the hall and showers too), I thought the game was up, she came back later having been shopping and brought me a folding Z bed, one of the kindest gestures and I've never forgotten it, 20 plus years ago now.
May God Bless her! I recall so very few women that tried to help me from the manhood and fatherhood and Joy-Love-Truth-Sanity destroying Feminism I was indoctrinated in along with other psychological damage from a Demonically-oppressed Devouring Mother, and male-hating society and university I worked at, and this evil-filled Witch-filled State I moved too.
I recall 3 of the so many women I was forced to suffer to earn a living, 3 of 100's that lied by silence or actively pushed the male-hate insanities.
That was before the Web gave me access to women like Janice, GirlWritesWhat!, and some others.
Thank God for those few. Otherwise, It might be reasonable to believe that womanhood is 100% Sick and murderous.
Although it seems like that GodHating Satanic Womanhood State might not be realized for another 50 years, perhaps, When the demonic-seeds mothers and teachers and Gov injects in most children today, and then, will be Quickened before Puberty, with girl's 'coming of age' universal ritual being pregnancy not because of lust or love or .., but specifically for the young virgin father's soul and unborn torture to death by Witches, both as Sacrifices to Satan ..
.. as many already do in this generation. Pushed by 'Professional' Witches in Education, Gov, courts, ...
You were handed a sour lemon, and you used it to make sweet lemonade.
Anger. Burning anger redirected. I bought my own home two years after this, felt great. It wasn’t all me, I took St John’s Wort and my goodness, it was like rocket fuel for the brain, to hell with being depressed.
I endured a 10-year ordeal with a cheating wife. I tried to keep my family intact, but she finally flew the coop for good. I made a good comeback. I've written a story about the entire saga. It starts here:
https://estwald397.substack.com/p/another-somebody-done-somebody-wrong
"How long will it be before Cat and Nat decide that they owe it to themselves to take the lovers they’ve been fantasizing about?"
I suspect that that ship sailed many moons ago. But I wonder how much Viagra it takes for a man to get up and ready to service such cows as Nat and Cat. You might have to hit up more than one pharmacy.
With every loosening of moral scruples and strictures, the disaffected seek more "freedom." If trends continue, we shall soon have no restraints on anything. Except male behavior, on which the clamps will be tightened further f the lunatic feminine fringe is allowed to have its way. The dissolute, degenerate and deviant all have demanded that we allow them to do as they wished. Come to think of it, isn't that the singular commandment in the Church of Satan? And wasn't Eve's downfall the result of acting on her wish to be relieved of the burden of adhering to God's rule against eating the fruit of a single tree among the millions of trees He had made available in The Garden and become like a god herself? I suppose that we are faced with a decision whether to choose to return to righteously restraining our own evil desires or giving in to them, so to live in Hobbes' world of all against all, each seeking only her own pleasure. I suspect that these disaffected women simply fail to understand that removing restraints on their behavior will soon lead to men removing restraints on masculine behavior and entering the world of Conan The Barbarian where womens' puropse is to satisfy mens' desires.
They have to tighten control on men, because someone has to keep stuff going on.... if only to pay the taxes needed to deal with the huge social fall out.
But before that they reap what they sow. TikTok has many videos of this sort, annoying ladies unwisely trashing men and advocating casual sex. But it also full of videos of women on the other side of those decisions in their empty, husbandless, childless homes, lamenting their barren lives. The younger women are seeing some of these videos too and I am sure some of them are wondering.
What a mess.
You might appreciate this podcast:
https://open.substack.com/pub/soberchristiangentlemanpodcast/p/s2-ep-63-be-the-change-pornography?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=31s3eo
" .. wasn't Eve's downfall the result of acting on her wish to be relieved of the burden of adhering to God's rule against .."
We can understand that woman, pulled from the rib of man, really the heart of man, is a desire both physically and spiritually for his completeness and her desire for him too a desire of her heart and body for her completeness. The original solitude. The 'One Flesh' of Perfect Union as Original Adam (as One Flesh united with Eve before division) was One with God in Union and Communion.
The Curse of Eve is her desire to control her husband. We see this all the time! In Genesis, it says "your desire shall be for your husband," but it should actually be translated "your desire shall be to control your husband."
Every woman must conquer this desire in herself. If she can do it, she can master any virtue, and becomes an amazing being. If not, she'll be wretched.
So...this is why women should be under the authority of their husband. It is rightly ordered. If she does it, she becomes more holy than her husband.
The demons know the structure of the Fall, and use the curse of Eve easily.
The original sin isn’t known as the sin of Eve, even though she ate the fruit first. It is called the sin of Adam because in original solitude they are one, in waking up male and female the two become one. Original sin was an offense against himself and what he was made to be. Man and woman aren’t to be in competition with one another, they are completeness and compliment one another. Things would have been different if Adam had said no to the fruit.
Eve's sins numbered less then Adams, what St. Thomas Aquinas has to say about the particular sins of both Adam and Eve:
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"The gravity of a sin depends on the species rather than on a circumstance of that sin. Accordingly we must assert that, if we consider the condition attaching to these persons, the man's (Adam) sin is the more grievous, because he was more perfect than the woman (Eve).
As regards the genus itself of the sin, the sin of each is considered to be equal, for each sinned by pride. Hence Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. xi, 35): "Eve in excusing herself betrays disparity of sex, though parity of pride."
But as regards the species of pride, the woman sinned more grievously, for three reasons. First, because she was more puffed up than the man. For the woman believed in the serpent's persuasive words, namely that God had forbidden them to eat of the tree, lest they should become like to Him; so that in wishing to attain to God's likeness by eating of the forbidden fruit, her pride rose to the height of desiring to obtain something against God's will. On the other hand, the man did not believe this to be true; wherefore he did not wish to attain to God's likeness against God's will: but his pride consisted in wishing to attain thereto by his own power. Secondly, the woman not only herself sinned, but suggested sin to the man; wherefore she sinned against both God and her neighbor. Thirdly, the man's sin was diminished by the fact that, as Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. xi, 42), "he consented to the sin out of a certain friendly good-will, on account of which a man sometimes will offend God rather than make an enemy of his friend. That he ought not to have done so is shown by the just issue of the Divine sentence."
It is therefore evident that the woman's sin was more grievous than the man's."
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An unusual apologetic about The Fall - about disOrdered sex, masturbation - which might be worth considering in relation to GodLess Loveless Insane Murdering Modern Western Womanhood;
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/62546/80159
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At work, I've never heard a man complain about his wife, either publicly or privately to me. I've heard lots of women complain about their husbands publicly.
During an interview, a female candidate put down her husband for not wanting to do so much work inside the house. He was disabled, in a wheelchair, and unable to work. I assumed he felt bad about not being able to do more with his life. The candidate explained she married him after the disability, and they had agreed on their roles and that's that. There was no reason for the candidate to mention any of this. Everyone else in the room was a woman and they all laughed. The candidate got the job.
I've also heard co-workers publicly put down their husbands for things like not wanting to wear a Covid mask with flowers on it, and for being stupid and buying the wrong peanut butter. My boss belittles her husband right in front of me. She interrupts him and dominates him in arguments.
The other day a coworker casually mentioned someone wanting to get some time away from her husband for being annoying, and another women said, “tell me about me.”
I work at a university library. A guy who collected art photography books of male nudes (basically gay erotica) died, and his brother donated them to us. The director said we weren't going to keep them because they don't fit the collection. Another co-worker talked about how a group of the women were gathered in an office, looking through the books for fun, pointing and giggling.
No man could get away with any of this is the workplace.
I've had the same experiences. I've never heard a man publicly complain about his wife in any serious way (occasionally, a man will say something like "My wife will kill me if I have another drink, gotta go" or "My wife won't speak to me tonight if I don't pick up the groceries I promised ...": that's as close as most men get to saying a bad word about the boss). Men certainly wouldn't get invited onto morning talk shows for doing a years-long video series in which they ragged on their wives constantly. I don't think most men are interested in that; and they certainly wouldn't be rewarded for it.
Where I get my hair done, there is a constant stream of women casually complaining about their husbands' faults. It's just the norm.
Perhaps there is some sort of evolutionary basis: women evolved to complain about things, and their complaints were taken seriously by the men around them. Maybe there was an evolutionary advantage for those societies where the women were allowed to complain a lot. I'm just guessing.
But surely those women were also kept in check by their societies, prevented from unfitting their husbands for the work they had to do or from cheating on their husbands with other men. All such constraints have now been removed, with terrible results.
" .. Maybe there was an evolutionary advantage for those societies where the women were allowed to complain a lot. .. "
Yes, when women were sane and well-ordered in families and community, those mothers and older women made sure that children and women and families' needs were met.
If women had not fallen in sanity, virtue, humanity, charity, chastity, faith, in service, and care for others and self as deserving of respect as Images of God, Fallen so badly in the 1960s with Legal birth-control, expanding State legal mother's murdering our babies,
with Gov. Welfare destroying fatherhood and families and women's knowledge of healthy families for us all, and acceptance of selfish-wife-mother caused divorce (".. for the children! [And the stiff poolman's, friends husband's, stranger in bar's penises]") ..
.. if womanhood stayed sane and valued their huge social power and huge desire and duty that men felt in responding to their wants and needs, and trusting them long past time when it was insane to trust and believe them, ..
.. then our fathers, uncles, brothers, sons, that volunteered or forced to serve Nation (Women, Children, Families, Liberty) in Vietnam and returned damaged and needing care and support would have been given it. The discarding of men, benefactors, and servants to Nation, society, women, children, .. because they used-up and damaged and because they didn't have the women's wants that they die in rice fields instead of return damaged, Sick vile womanhood that as soon had any man unable to give them something for free they 'feel' better that their mother murdered them unborn.
As an older boy in the early and mid 1970s I heard older women, when women had souls and sanity and virtues, raised with them and corrected and rewarded when needed, Loved by society enough to direct them to be a Blessing to family, community, nation, and not Horror machines-from-Hell many seem to be and most others support them to be.
Imagine if those homeless damaged Vietnam Vets came back to a Society where women were still human and could love. Do you think today homeless families would be 'normal' or acceptable?
The governor of Texas, a state which may overtake Canada in population before long, has been in a wheelchair since his 20s, early in his marriage. His wife stayed with him, and they adopted at least one child. This marriage-- this woman-- sounds the polar opposite of the one you cite.
I was about to ask the name of your "candidate", then realised you meant candidate for a *job*, not for public office, so privacy rules. Too bad. It would have made a helluva comparison. Still, a congresswoman from this governor's own state referred to him as "hot wheels", a disparaging term for cripples who are particularly whiny, which he is not.
Projection at work!
Mrs Woodhull greatly disturbed her fellow suffragists, as her arguments destroyed one of the pillars of their own, women's purported moral superiority. They quickly and firmly distanced themselves from her. Ironically (or predictably, according to the antis), women's great influence in the Victorian (!) era came from *not* having the franchise. Women's greatest political victory was in fact Prohibition, ratified by a record 46 of 48 states, in most of which they could not yet vote. It took well over a half-century after suffrage to claw back a similar level of influence. Which is now quite ANTI-Victorian.
By the way, as a natural-born citizen of at least 35 years of age, resident for at least 14 years, Tricky Vicky was eligible for the presidency, as Martha Washington or Abigail Adams would also have been. Sex had never been a qualification. (Compare that to New Zealand, where women got the vote ca. 1892, but couldn't sit in Parliament until 1919, after Jeannette Rankin had finished her first term in Washington.) A fascinating constitutional question is whether states could have kept them off their ballots. A question that had never come up in the previous 83 years.
Yes the role in prohibition is ignored, I suppose it would make feminists seem kill joys. Though never reaching prohibition in the UK the development of "licensing laws" controlling alcohol sales and "pubs" was very much a female led campaign with "temperance" a huge movement. One key call to arms was that alcohol was causing men to neglect their duty to support their wives and children because of spending on "drink".
Yes, I've written a lot about the feminization of society through temperance advocacy. Women's involvement in temperance, in the early 19th century, was often the first step in their radical politicization and conviction that women should run the world.
That feminization was done through the ever expansion of our men-fathers-wage-steeling liberty-Rights-unJust and family-fatherhood-masculine genociding white Christian-value raised population replacement poverty-spreading population-controlling GreatSatan Federal Gov, State gov, local gov, courts, institutions, religious, media, education, re-writing false history, censoring and destroying men that Stand against their Witch-directed delusional-retarded community-soup-pot shitting and poisoning, meritless and unJust livelyhood ending, secrete Black-Lists life destroying, endless-war & baby-murdering & sexually mutilating .. feminization Hell-Tool under the lie of 'Safety' and ' ..for the Children!'
When I was a young man other men and most women were generally careful about showing respect to men (and all others when men were around) because it was Manhood Standards of Truth, Justice, Good Order, politeness, respect of the Image of God in us all,.. because acting openly against those standards might get them a beating - a Loving Correction that their Father never gave them early enough or often enough or hard enough and their mother was unLoving Devouring piece of Evil-Witch Hell.
Later in the 1980's the male-hate and disRespecting and other negative insanities like baby-murder and unpunished life-destroying false-witnessing were made uncorrectable by the victims and by Loving men for those victims, LawFare, loss of employment and careers, homelessness, prison, and other vile female-hate and female-evil ruled. Toxic man-hating abusive-contemptable women and their mind-raped [adult] children made it so the price to earn a living was insane levels of viciousness and abuse from them and courts and HR-departments and Gov,..
.. I suffered most of my adult life as most men, decent men, virtuous men, hard-working merit-filled lovable men, that - like myself - educationally and intellectually shaped myself from 5th grade, romantically driven to Serve and help others, with years of study, work, social, .. with peers before and after puberty, .. without reason for Just abuse failure poverty .. except for the Witches and the ever-increasing Sick womanhood.
Because God Blessed me with so much pain and suffering, showing me daily the result of birth-control (treating self and others as soulless meat-machines instead of Images of God blessed with His Love) and result of murdering our Blessed-Given unborn for convivence or whim, I have a good idea of where the source of more than 80% of world-wide evil and needless or intentional suffering and death come through, and it is not men.
Or wasn't men until insane fatherhood and masculinity was murdered with our babies, siblings, neighbors, possible spouses, etc. became 'normal' and even 'praiseworthy' rewarded.
Public tasering pain and shame Loving Correction for 15+ yo of community and personal damage of by lies, unkept promises, unTruth, vicious gossip, .. from either sex, and a form of Taser-duel where both suffer increasing pain until the most offended decides she pissed and screamed enough to not disrespect or offend again.
Again in the 1970s I was introduced to another view of the "fall" of Oscar Wilde. Now the narrative is of course that he was some sort of saintly pioneer with his love affair with Bosie. His wife and children more or less airbrushed out of sight. In a sense an early example of bravely following his own desires. However the actual story is rather more prosaic. Having lost his case against Lord Queensbury, because the noble lord proved the accusation was accurate.
The proof of being a "sodomite" thus displayed in court caused his arrest under The Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 As it is described in the Act "An Act to make further provision for the Protection of Women and Girls, the suppression of brothels, and other purposes," The actual process of this act had been rather long and convoluted. It was linked to child prostitution and trafficking and Social Purity Groups, the early NSPCC and feminists such as Josephine Butler. Given it was mainly about "Protection of Women and Girls" how did it come to nab Oscar Wilde. Well that was Section 11 the "Labouchere Amendment" which was supported by the same groups including feminists which clearly stated homosexual behaviour was a social ill because married men were derelict in their duty to their wives and children if they went off with "rent boys" (male prostitutes) as much as if they went with female prostitutes (another target of the Act).
So Oscar Wilde was convicted because his failed libel case had proven he had a string of male prostitutes ("unemployed young men") some of whom testified at his criminal trial. "Bosie" had fled and so their was no romantic declarations of "love" rather a parade of sordid times in London Hotels. At the time there was huge sympathy for his Wife and Children as he was the archetypal Victorian pillar of society who had followed his lust to the ruin of him and his family.
In an early example of "intersectionality" Wilde was an early catch for a law heavily lobbied for by women's groups and feminists seeking to protect women and girls from toxic masculinity!
Oddly enough when I returned to taking an interest in feminist writings, after my family had grown up, this crowing about the lobbying by women for this Act to clean up London and stop men following their lustful desires to the detriment of their responsibilities to wives and children, was absent. Possibly not fitting the narrative ........
When researching the Curse and Poison of universal suffrage I was surprised that the Amendment for women's suffrage was passed while the anti-liberty Hyper-empowerment of our hugely expanded powers and size Satanic Federal Government - the Sickening Feminist anti-male anti-family disOrdering further GreatSatan Corporate-Womanhood 5th column against Natural Law and Christian values-based Right Order, Justice, Truth, and Subsidiarity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity_(Catholicism) that Prohibition existed.
Prohibition that caused so much suffering, blindness, unrestrained drinking, crime, .., made nearly every man and many women instant criminals, debasing our Constitution and mankind's Right-Ordered society, gonad-crushing father-man-children hating reality that 'Outed' the Sickness spreading through womanhood, society, government, many religious sects - the display of women's deep lying Darken murderous grasping unLoving unending-State-growing destroying souls that are so easily manipulated into Satanic goals ..
.. how many men gave-up seats to women in life-boats on Titanic, and how many women gave up their seats to children, with each seat could have saved 2 or 3 children?
"The differences by gender were even bigger: nearly all female crew members, first- and second-class passengers were saved. Men from the First Class died at a higher rate than women from the Third Class.[237] In total, 50% of the children survived, 20% of the men and 75% of the women." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic#Survivors_and_victims
The surprise is that women were given a privilege they did not earn, could not use wisely, but over generations of Witch-directions and expansions of This Federal GreatSatan, such delusional lying grasping baby-murdering men-enslaving and hate-filled psycho-FemNazi retarded self-children-men mutilating golems of unTruth, inJustice, disOrder, Love-Joy-Hope murdering Machines-from and into Hell.
Don't get me wrong, like typical fatherless castrated mind-raped baby-murdering-accepting insane male-hating male-fearing Genocidal accepting and supporting walking demon-directed cnts that most are, assuming the worst in men and others - so the vileness and demonic-whispers in themselves seem less ..
.. what I suggest is that No one should vote, work or run for Gov, be on Jury, manage others, .., or have power over others until they display self-sacrificing virtue, through years of Service to God, Church, Man, families, societies, Nations, Truth, Justice, and Good Order - for example.
To answer my own question, for anyone interested, in 1872 ballots were still being printed by the political parties, not the states themselves as today. Victoria Woodhull's problem was not "getting on the ballot", but finding any men willing to cast those ballots. (This was also Lincoln's problem in the South in 1860; he wasn't "kept off", just not placed on.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1872_United_States_presidential_election#Women's_suffrage
Perhaps that, and not sheer presumption on her part, is why she "nominated" Frederick Douglass as her running mate without his consent, or even knowledge. Douglass was too busy campaigning and serving as an elector for Ulysses S Grant:
https://www.downtownbrown.com/pages/books/362496/frederick-douglass/new-york-republican-electoral-college-slate-for-1872?srsltid=AfmBOor5kG4G0yiuMjCxsp-KgqkREv3NwTQhEzyeLuC58ekTCbtnisYd
" .. is why she "nominated" Frederick Douglass as her running mate without his consent, or even knowledge. .." - What Reg!? Say it ain't so Joe!
Are you suggesting that a woman seeking power was trying to suck-off a hard-working man, without care if it might unJustly damage his ability to secede 'behind his back', damaging his reputation by false-witnessing her otherwise slimy actions and sick-beliefs as supported and linked to him?
What a difference from the back-stabbing father-children-family destroying self-centered lying torturing Divorce-rape route, Or the get pregnant and trap most wealthy, or the next in line, and if failed to trap, hire witches to torture unborn to death silently screaming, and try it again, Or the false-rape accusation in public or private (and unknown to him) reputation and life destroying so to remove him from merit-hardwork earned position so she or some other vile slimy lying woman can advance.
So, we learn of more ways of disHonorable Sickness they practice, above the law and uncorrectable.
How many people hear of a school or workplace shooting and realize the Sick vile womanhood behind it - that he was most likely driven by Witches and their man-hating minions that were torturing him for pleasure, masturbating to each suffering day they caused and enjoyed, with the peak-Orgasm when they hear of his suicide?