Damn Janice, that was quite a lesson in the reality of the beginnings of feminist violence. It is quite telling that no one mentions it today. What I found myself thinking as I was reading was, were these women using men to do their violence or did they actually take it on themselves? I tried to envision women building bombs and couldn't. Would love to hear if they did this on their own or were dependent on men to carry out this stuff. Probably a mix I suppose.
I think a mix. Even within the Pankhurst clan there was a mix. The often forgotten Mr. Pankhurst (the "red doctor") Richard was mainly a radical operating through political means including the labour party he help found. His daughter Sylvia was far more radical and went revolutionary lsocialist and communist . Though like many was eventually disappointed by the USSR. Emmeline, Richard's widow, seeks to have become more violent after his death and she and Christabel were supporters of the violence and then the war (being leaders in the white feather movement) of course this was a period when there were all sorts of radical movements, Irish, anarchist, Marxist, socialist all small but interlinked and committed to violence. There is in my country (UK) a pervasive myth that our domestic politics were largely peaceful in the late Victorian and edwardian era. Which is of course rubbish. Attempts were made to assassinate Victoria and other royals and prominent politicians and notable people. From anarchist plots to bringing in some of the home fleet to threaten Liverpool dockers striking the UK was in as much a ferment as any other of the nervous European states. So plenty to copy from or link to. Probably the big difference was in the comparatively indulgent treatment of suffragettes. After all they just let Male hunger strikers die. Emmeline had become the candidate for a parliamentary seat tge year prior to her death, for the Conservative Party! Go figure that!
That's good to know: "After all they just let male hunger strikers die." I had just been assuming that they force fed all hunger strikers and only women were singled out for the shock and horror of their lives being preserved.
There was a movie about hunger strikes of a similar nature in 1981. It starred Hellen Mirren and was called 'Every Mother's Son'. It's been many years since I've seen it but I recall that it was quite good.
Thanks, Tom. I don't know the answer, but it was my impression that it was mainly the women themselves building these bombs. I don't suppose that letter bombs (sulphuric acid and phosphorous mixed together and dumped in mail boxes) took a great deal of ability, but I would expect some of the larger ones definitely would. Some WSPU members associated with anarchists and other far-left radicals, who may have helped them.
I would not be a bit surprised as the Klan was all about protecting white women from black men. The majority of lynchings of black men were the result of 'believe all women' when it came to accusations of sexual impropriety, no matter how slight.
Feminists heads explode when you point this out, but what happened to Emmett Till is exactly what they are pushing for except that they want it to be legal and extended to all men.
The story of Till has been grossly rewritten by essentially the same people who support feminism. The more you look into the case and Till, the more you will see why a lynch gang - almost half of whom were black - would kill Till.
As famous as this story is, you'd think more people would know that Till's father was executed by the military for 2 counts of rape and 1 of murder, and that he had only enlisted to avoid jail for domestic abuse. One has to wonder how far that apple fell from that tree.
I just looked into this story and the accussers could NOT identify the senior Till as the suspect because they were attacked in darkness. None of this justifies vigilante justice.
Senior Till's hanging was not a vigilante act, it was a sentence imposed during a military court martial.
During that court martial, two soldiers who participated in the home invasion, one of whom alleged that Till threatened to kill them if they didn't, testified that Till raped both women and then shot one of them while they begged him not to.
One of the soldiers was given immunity for his testimony. The other one, Fred McMurray, left physical evidence, in the form of an envelope addressed to him, at the scene.
So his accusers, his fellow soldiers, did positively identify him. Of the two victims, one of them couldn't identify him because he killed her. I don't know if the other one could identify him or not, but there was plenty of other evidence.
Why not? It's well known that sexual violence is generational. What are the odds that Emmitt, whose father chose going to war over doing prison time for domestic violence and then was hanged for 2 rapes and 1 murder, had an idyllic childhood involving a strict moral upbringing?
"Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him" Carolyn Bryant Donham admitted to fabricating testimony against Till. So please do educate me as to what you are saying?
The more you look into the case and Cosby, the more you will see why a lynch gang - almost half of whom were black - would FRAME Cosby. Ever hear of the pound cake speech?
To kill a mocking bird is a book we "did" at school. It is interesting because the actual story is about an inocent man being accused of rape, being convicted solely on accusation and prejudice and being killed while "escaping". Much more recently I found on line a list of hundreds of cases of "extra judicial" killings and beatings. To be honest I was surprised to find 80% were cases of an accusation, from rape to looking at women in the "wrong" way. If one ignored the race it was a litany familiar in "rape culture". A classic of getting men to to terrible things in "protection" of defenseless women. It was as though feminism was copying this Strategy just extending it from black men to all men.
Damn Janice, that was quite a lesson in the reality of the beginnings of feminist violence. It is quite telling that no one mentions it today. What I found myself thinking as I was reading was, were these women using men to do their violence or did they actually take it on themselves? I tried to envision women building bombs and couldn't. Would love to hear if they did this on their own or were dependent on men to carry out this stuff. Probably a mix I suppose.
I think a mix. Even within the Pankhurst clan there was a mix. The often forgotten Mr. Pankhurst (the "red doctor") Richard was mainly a radical operating through political means including the labour party he help found. His daughter Sylvia was far more radical and went revolutionary lsocialist and communist . Though like many was eventually disappointed by the USSR. Emmeline, Richard's widow, seeks to have become more violent after his death and she and Christabel were supporters of the violence and then the war (being leaders in the white feather movement) of course this was a period when there were all sorts of radical movements, Irish, anarchist, Marxist, socialist all small but interlinked and committed to violence. There is in my country (UK) a pervasive myth that our domestic politics were largely peaceful in the late Victorian and edwardian era. Which is of course rubbish. Attempts were made to assassinate Victoria and other royals and prominent politicians and notable people. From anarchist plots to bringing in some of the home fleet to threaten Liverpool dockers striking the UK was in as much a ferment as any other of the nervous European states. So plenty to copy from or link to. Probably the big difference was in the comparatively indulgent treatment of suffragettes. After all they just let Male hunger strikers die. Emmeline had become the candidate for a parliamentary seat tge year prior to her death, for the Conservative Party! Go figure that!
Thanks Nigel. Fascinating.
That's good to know: "After all they just let male hunger strikers die." I had just been assuming that they force fed all hunger strikers and only women were singled out for the shock and horror of their lives being preserved.
You might be interested in the case of Terence McSwiney.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_MacSwiney?wprov=sfti1
I am. Thanks.
There was a movie about hunger strikes of a similar nature in 1981. It starred Hellen Mirren and was called 'Every Mother's Son'. It's been many years since I've seen it but I recall that it was quite good.
Thanks, Tom. I don't know the answer, but it was my impression that it was mainly the women themselves building these bombs. I don't suppose that letter bombs (sulphuric acid and phosphorous mixed together and dumped in mail boxes) took a great deal of ability, but I would expect some of the larger ones definitely would. Some WSPU members associated with anarchists and other far-left radicals, who may have helped them.
Thanks Janice. Appreciate hearing your take on this.
It would not be a good look for the feminists to show us their heroes were something like the terrorist gangs of the 60s and 70s I would say.
If you liked this you should read Women of the Klan.
The WKKK was worse than the men's.
I would not be a bit surprised as the Klan was all about protecting white women from black men. The majority of lynchings of black men were the result of 'believe all women' when it came to accusations of sexual impropriety, no matter how slight.
Feminists heads explode when you point this out, but what happened to Emmett Till is exactly what they are pushing for except that they want it to be legal and extended to all men.
The story of Till has been grossly rewritten by essentially the same people who support feminism. The more you look into the case and Till, the more you will see why a lynch gang - almost half of whom were black - would kill Till.
As famous as this story is, you'd think more people would know that Till's father was executed by the military for 2 counts of rape and 1 of murder, and that he had only enlisted to avoid jail for domestic abuse. One has to wonder how far that apple fell from that tree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till#:~:text=Louis%20Till%20was%20the%20father,son%27s%20murderers%20ten%20years%20later.
I just looked into this story and the accussers could NOT identify the senior Till as the suspect because they were attacked in darkness. None of this justifies vigilante justice.
You'll have to show this to those of us who don't believe you.
I do believe you read someone else claiming this, but I don't believe you saw the Italian documents.
Senior Till's hanging was not a vigilante act, it was a sentence imposed during a military court martial.
During that court martial, two soldiers who participated in the home invasion, one of whom alleged that Till threatened to kill them if they didn't, testified that Till raped both women and then shot one of them while they begged him not to.
One of the soldiers was given immunity for his testimony. The other one, Fred McMurray, left physical evidence, in the form of an envelope addressed to him, at the scene.
So his accusers, his fellow soldiers, did positively identify him. Of the two victims, one of them couldn't identify him because he killed her. I don't know if the other one could identify him or not, but there was plenty of other evidence.
What the Father did is not a reflection or indictment of the son
Why not? It's well known that sexual violence is generational. What are the odds that Emmitt, whose father chose going to war over doing prison time for domestic violence and then was hanged for 2 rapes and 1 murder, had an idyllic childhood involving a strict moral upbringing?
"Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him" Carolyn Bryant Donham admitted to fabricating testimony against Till. So please do educate me as to what you are saying?
No. She didn't. A journalist claimed she did.
The more you look into the case and Cosby, the more you will see why a lynch gang - almost half of whom were black - would FRAME Cosby. Ever hear of the pound cake speech?
To kill a mocking bird is a book we "did" at school. It is interesting because the actual story is about an inocent man being accused of rape, being convicted solely on accusation and prejudice and being killed while "escaping". Much more recently I found on line a list of hundreds of cases of "extra judicial" killings and beatings. To be honest I was surprised to find 80% were cases of an accusation, from rape to looking at women in the "wrong" way. If one ignored the race it was a litany familiar in "rape culture". A classic of getting men to to terrible things in "protection" of defenseless women. It was as though feminism was copying this Strategy just extending it from black men to all men.
Thanks for the reference. A little pricey, $17 for Kindle, though that's not a surprise since it was probably never a best seller.