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Leave where? Are there groups of competent feminists running around engaging in productive activity that I am unaware of, or are they all in academia, federal agencies, and HR departments? Because from where I sit, it looks like a lot of the places they inhabit are going to get wiped out.

The electorate is bifurcated along class lines at this point. Politics is recreational to the "eff the patriarchy! She-Ra is a documentary" crowd. It's not for people who either don't have jobs, or can't make ends meet. Do you really think this kind of self-censorship will work on them? I don't.

Will there always be narcissistic, delusional women running around? Yes. Will they forever enjoy this "rights for me, responsibilities for thee" environment they managed to create? I doubt it.

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Just plain Rivka's avatar

Here’s my perspective.

I am a woman with an extremely traditional lifestyle.

I was born into a traditional family. I never left the lifestyle.

I am a thinking individual.

I have feminism on loop in my head.

I am almost 47 and I can’t get it out of my head.

Feminism tells me that motherhood is not enjoyable, that if I don’t see my husband taking advantage of me, I’m blind (He isn’t)

That I can’t say I love being a mother because I will hurt other women’s feelings and that I really couldn’t love being a mother because it’s inherently oppressive.

Feminism says that if modesty speaks to me that’s because I hypersexualized the world.

Feminism says that if you think the idea of any version of a sex strike is physically nauseating as well as the ultimate TMI, you’re the crazy one.

Feminism defines a woman as a human who requires the right to abortion.

Raising children is the opposite of “living your life.”

Raising children is also the opposite of expensive travel. As if everyone without a baby is constantly jet-setting to Paris.

Feminism says that the only reason people separate men and women is to demean women. There is no other legitimate purpose.

That kind of thinking doesn’t just go away.

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Janice Fiamengo's avatar

Well said.

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No name here's avatar

I grew up in a pretty far left environment but with a pretty normal family. I learned to absolutely despise far leftists, including feminists. As I watch Gen Z move into adulthood, all of them had similar experiences to mine. Their thinking will not go away, either. They're pissed.

Far leftism, including blank slate ideology, multiculturalism, feminism, and recreational political egalitarianism all rely on and exploit decency, but only from those who exhibit said decency. There's a reason the girlboss brigade isn't sassy-clapping to islamists or violent thugs to "do better". They know they are not decent people who will, in fact, pimp slap them while demanding a sandwich.

That kind of response is exactly what they are likely to get from young men going forward. The soft power that comes from hectoring otherwise decent men is evaporating. They won't have to grapple with it as you have because there was never any value in it for them, perceived or otherwise.

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Just plain Rivka's avatar

This is food for thought.

Are you Gen Z?

Our kids are Gen Z

I am Gen X

That’s actually the most comforting thing I’ve heard in a long time.

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No name here's avatar

Same - Gen X with Gen Z kids. I'm seeing it with them and others.

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