Pretty ill thought out comment. Women do stigmatized behaviors more than men, but men also stigmatized behaviors. Mens spaces aren't free for all were you can just abuse people, and it seems you're leading with the same female power fantasy of "civilizing" men, which is just stupid and wrong.
Women have been using silencing and shaming to further feminism. You say that it's usually a good thing, but there is no evidence for that. Silencing and shaming is what keeps feminism afloat.
You seem to not understand that feminism and women are the same, not distinct cultural forces.
You keep trying to say "feminism makes women think they are powerless when they are so powerful!". But you don't seem to understand that women need less power. Significantly less power.
Not a good take imo. The idea that female schoolmarmishness is actually a good thing when it is the cause of feminism is just stupid.
Rereading, my reply, I have some qualms with my response.
"(That can, and typically is, used for the good-a civilizing force.)"
I read too far into this and thought you were playing on the "brute male" trope. I now realize this is a hasty assumption, and that there can be multiple civilizing forces, some masculine some feminine. My apologies.
However, I still stand on some of what I said earlier. Feminine schoolmarmish is not all good, and definitely keeps feminism afloat culturally speaking.
I also still think women and feminism are the same. Every woman (and man for that matter) is a feminist, because it's baked into the culture at large. Donald Trump is a feminist. Listen to him speak and simp for women and you'll see that, although he maybe isn't as overt and disgusting about it, he is a feminist. Women keep feminism afloat. Even yourself admits that feminism plays in your head constantly because of the social conditioning. Frankly, post modern social engineering has made it so the only womanhood that exists currently is a feminist womanhood, unfortunately. I don't even mean being a working woman, I mean just women's conflict-based perception of themselves and men. Women do not have a womanhood that is anything other than eternally in conflict with men over nothing. Watch the media and try to find an example of womahood that isn't bitchy and insufferable. The days of non-feminist womahood are long gone, sadly. Cinderella, Wendy, Alice in Wonderland and every other female character you can think of are all modernized and "bitchified". You can claim women are victims of this social conditioning, but they are the ones who push the social conditioning. You should watch Jonathan Haidt discuss female social contagions.
Feminism kind of seeks masculine power, but it is incredibly stereotypically feminine. Feminism reigns supreme because of media/cultural dominance. Their reputation slander of men far and wide is the cause for much of our cultural inability to support men, and attack women when necessary. Without the cultural component, I think it would fall flat completely due to the irrationality of it quickly becoming clear. Any masculine power it has is reliant on its feminine slander.
Something interesting is how concerned women are with power. Ironic, that men actually think of power dynamics less in relationships than women, who seem to frame everything through a lens of power. Feminist conditioning, but also probably some of their innate neurotic nature that makes them angry and distrustful for no reason. Men don't ever think about power in relationships in this way, and it seems women don't ever stop thinking about power in relationships in this way.
Feminine schoolmarms are not the cause of feminism. The Carrie Nations of the world are gone. Some schoolmarms would do us some good. It is hard to argue otherwise.
Templates for positive feminine power-Harriet Beecher Stowe, Frances Seward.
Even Jeannette Rankin, who exemplified the utopian detachment from reality, epitomizes some of the greatness of women despite her need for a reality check. Does seem like she meant well.
Pretty ill thought out comment. Women do stigmatized behaviors more than men, but men also stigmatized behaviors. Mens spaces aren't free for all were you can just abuse people, and it seems you're leading with the same female power fantasy of "civilizing" men, which is just stupid and wrong.
Women have been using silencing and shaming to further feminism. You say that it's usually a good thing, but there is no evidence for that. Silencing and shaming is what keeps feminism afloat.
You seem to not understand that feminism and women are the same, not distinct cultural forces.
You keep trying to say "feminism makes women think they are powerless when they are so powerful!". But you don't seem to understand that women need less power. Significantly less power.
Not a good take imo. The idea that female schoolmarmishness is actually a good thing when it is the cause of feminism is just stupid.
So you’re saying that an all male culture would have throw pillows and multiple forks and spoons? Is that your take?
Women and feminism are not the same.
That’s just without merit.
Feminism seeks masculine style power. It doesn’t content itself with shaming and blaming.
Feminine power is not only stigmatizing behavior. There’s more to it than that.
There’s a good aspect of “my mother raised me better than that.”
Rereading, my reply, I have some qualms with my response.
"(That can, and typically is, used for the good-a civilizing force.)"
I read too far into this and thought you were playing on the "brute male" trope. I now realize this is a hasty assumption, and that there can be multiple civilizing forces, some masculine some feminine. My apologies.
However, I still stand on some of what I said earlier. Feminine schoolmarmish is not all good, and definitely keeps feminism afloat culturally speaking.
I also still think women and feminism are the same. Every woman (and man for that matter) is a feminist, because it's baked into the culture at large. Donald Trump is a feminist. Listen to him speak and simp for women and you'll see that, although he maybe isn't as overt and disgusting about it, he is a feminist. Women keep feminism afloat. Even yourself admits that feminism plays in your head constantly because of the social conditioning. Frankly, post modern social engineering has made it so the only womanhood that exists currently is a feminist womanhood, unfortunately. I don't even mean being a working woman, I mean just women's conflict-based perception of themselves and men. Women do not have a womanhood that is anything other than eternally in conflict with men over nothing. Watch the media and try to find an example of womahood that isn't bitchy and insufferable. The days of non-feminist womahood are long gone, sadly. Cinderella, Wendy, Alice in Wonderland and every other female character you can think of are all modernized and "bitchified". You can claim women are victims of this social conditioning, but they are the ones who push the social conditioning. You should watch Jonathan Haidt discuss female social contagions.
Feminism kind of seeks masculine power, but it is incredibly stereotypically feminine. Feminism reigns supreme because of media/cultural dominance. Their reputation slander of men far and wide is the cause for much of our cultural inability to support men, and attack women when necessary. Without the cultural component, I think it would fall flat completely due to the irrationality of it quickly becoming clear. Any masculine power it has is reliant on its feminine slander.
Something interesting is how concerned women are with power. Ironic, that men actually think of power dynamics less in relationships than women, who seem to frame everything through a lens of power. Feminist conditioning, but also probably some of their innate neurotic nature that makes them angry and distrustful for no reason. Men don't ever think about power in relationships in this way, and it seems women don't ever stop thinking about power in relationships in this way.
Where do you stand on abortion?
It should be illegal. It's baby killing and only exists so that women cam get away with bad choices that harm themselves, men, and children.
Interesting.
My point was going to be that women in America back abortion at 64% and Men at 61% so the mind virus that is feminism hasn’t only infected women.
Feminine schoolmarms are not the cause of feminism. The Carrie Nations of the world are gone. Some schoolmarms would do us some good. It is hard to argue otherwise.
Templates for positive feminine power-Harriet Beecher Stowe, Frances Seward.
Even Jeannette Rankin, who exemplified the utopian detachment from reality, epitomizes some of the greatness of women despite her need for a reality check. Does seem like she meant well.