Hi Sadredin, I agree with your points about the invasive nature of feminism, and the one-sided way the feminists & their sympathizers always force "inclusion" in one direction only. I think it's even worse than that, in that feminists are very selective in the places they wish to install women - boardrooms, yes, maintenance work? No.
I think the most serious damage feminists have done to our society has been changes like no-fault divorce, and family court rules that push fathers away from their kids, while forcing the fathers to fund not only the children's but the ex wives' lifestyles. I think the changes to divorce and family law are far far more serious than girls entering boys' sports. First because the girls who wish to do so are very few in number. More serious is that Title IX defunded a lot of high school and college boys's sports, to free up funds to make available sports opportunities for girls, even though, not infrequently, there aren't enough girls at a school interested in sports that enough join to form a team.
I've actually had 2 experiences when a male (each probably around age 20) entered a women's restroom. Both happened in the same public restroom in Portland, Oregon, in the early 2000s. The women did not violently attack either of these guys, didn't even insult them or say anything. In each instance, the women noticed the guy, said and did nothing to him, and rapidly left the facility. In one instance, I was in a stall when the guy entered, and came out to discover a man at the sink changing into women's clothes. The second time, the guy was leaving just as I arrived. Police or security staff, at least where I live, would be unlikely to assault such men, even in the course of forcing the men to leave the establishment, or arresting them.
There are several differences between the situation when girls or women try to get into boys or men's sports, and autogynephiles who go into women's sports. Generally, in the case of school sports, the girls wash out quickly. There were two girls accepted onto US college football teams in the past few years. Each played exactly one play in one game. Neither demanded access to the men's locker rooms, but used the women's, alone. My assessment was that these girls were in it for the publicity.
MtFs who've entered women's sports demand access to the women's locker rooms. MtFs have all the physical advantages males have, vs. women, and in just a few short years, caused some serious injuries, and as I recall, caused 2 skull fractures. The MtFs also make a big point of talking nasty about their female competitors, not in-game smack talk, but in interviews expressing glee about beating women and girls. MtFs as a group, have a high ratio of overt hostility towards women and girls and the capacity to inflict injury in the course of the competition in a way the females can't do to them.
I don't discount the damage done to high school and college sports by adults who changed laws to the disadvantage of the half the population who enjoy and seek to play sports, the boys. I think it's a grave injustice to the boys as well as loss of opportunities to learn team cooperation and maximize their physical fitness.
The demolition inflicted on boys' sports by previous generations of feminists (often males - as not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists) is a grave injustice on many levels.
However, is not the fault of current girls who choose to participate where a girls' swim team is available. If we should not punish men and boys for the alleged sins of men and boys of the past (most of which I believe to have been manufactured for political reasons) then neither should we punish girls who enter existing female teams or competitions, and are not invading boys' spaces.
I have to disagree with your assessment of Riley Gaines, and the situation she finds herself in. She wasn't trying to push into a men's swimming team, a man pretending he believes himself to be a woman pushed himself into the women's team - and the school, and swimming association treated the girl swimmers' complaints as indications that the girls needed mental health treatment as well as indoctrination in inclusiveness. As far as I know, neither of these procedures have been inflicted on on any sports team before, male or female.
I hope you will take the time to watch the video with the clip from her interview on Joe Rogan. Her insights about the differences between how the supposedly transitioned Will/Lia and the girl swimmers behave actually align with the reality that men and women approach problems and goals in very stereotypical ways.
Hi Sadredin, I agree with your points about the invasive nature of feminism, and the one-sided way the feminists & their sympathizers always force "inclusion" in one direction only. I think it's even worse than that, in that feminists are very selective in the places they wish to install women - boardrooms, yes, maintenance work? No.
I think the most serious damage feminists have done to our society has been changes like no-fault divorce, and family court rules that push fathers away from their kids, while forcing the fathers to fund not only the children's but the ex wives' lifestyles. I think the changes to divorce and family law are far far more serious than girls entering boys' sports. First because the girls who wish to do so are very few in number. More serious is that Title IX defunded a lot of high school and college boys's sports, to free up funds to make available sports opportunities for girls, even though, not infrequently, there aren't enough girls at a school interested in sports that enough join to form a team.
I've actually had 2 experiences when a male (each probably around age 20) entered a women's restroom. Both happened in the same public restroom in Portland, Oregon, in the early 2000s. The women did not violently attack either of these guys, didn't even insult them or say anything. In each instance, the women noticed the guy, said and did nothing to him, and rapidly left the facility. In one instance, I was in a stall when the guy entered, and came out to discover a man at the sink changing into women's clothes. The second time, the guy was leaving just as I arrived. Police or security staff, at least where I live, would be unlikely to assault such men, even in the course of forcing the men to leave the establishment, or arresting them.
There are several differences between the situation when girls or women try to get into boys or men's sports, and autogynephiles who go into women's sports. Generally, in the case of school sports, the girls wash out quickly. There were two girls accepted onto US college football teams in the past few years. Each played exactly one play in one game. Neither demanded access to the men's locker rooms, but used the women's, alone. My assessment was that these girls were in it for the publicity.
MtFs who've entered women's sports demand access to the women's locker rooms. MtFs have all the physical advantages males have, vs. women, and in just a few short years, caused some serious injuries, and as I recall, caused 2 skull fractures. The MtFs also make a big point of talking nasty about their female competitors, not in-game smack talk, but in interviews expressing glee about beating women and girls. MtFs as a group, have a high ratio of overt hostility towards women and girls and the capacity to inflict injury in the course of the competition in a way the females can't do to them.
I don't discount the damage done to high school and college sports by adults who changed laws to the disadvantage of the half the population who enjoy and seek to play sports, the boys. I think it's a grave injustice to the boys as well as loss of opportunities to learn team cooperation and maximize their physical fitness.
The demolition inflicted on boys' sports by previous generations of feminists (often males - as not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists) is a grave injustice on many levels.
However, is not the fault of current girls who choose to participate where a girls' swim team is available. If we should not punish men and boys for the alleged sins of men and boys of the past (most of which I believe to have been manufactured for political reasons) then neither should we punish girls who enter existing female teams or competitions, and are not invading boys' spaces.
I have to disagree with your assessment of Riley Gaines, and the situation she finds herself in. She wasn't trying to push into a men's swimming team, a man pretending he believes himself to be a woman pushed himself into the women's team - and the school, and swimming association treated the girl swimmers' complaints as indications that the girls needed mental health treatment as well as indoctrination in inclusiveness. As far as I know, neither of these procedures have been inflicted on on any sports team before, male or female.
I hope you will take the time to watch the video with the clip from her interview on Joe Rogan. Her insights about the differences between how the supposedly transitioned Will/Lia and the girl swimmers behave actually align with the reality that men and women approach problems and goals in very stereotypical ways.