I found myself getting more and more dejected as I read this. What Janice exposes is so powerful that it literally blinds people to see what is actually happening. This is the force that feminists have unscrupulously wielded for decades. No one sees it. It's an invisible wrecking ball.
Really appreciate your honest telling of your teen experience. So rare to hear a 1st person account and so helpful. Thank you.
It's hard to imagine you as a high school mean girl Janice, but thankfully you outgrew it. And thanks for the links and references to female violence. Here's some for you and others:
Dec 30, 2022·edited Dec 30, 2022Liked by Janice Fiamengo
In 7th grade we had a girl bullied by girls into suicide. The principle read her suicide note to the class, hard to believe I know, and gave us a stern warning. I remember helping her fend off several girls in 6th grade. I believe threats and hard core bullying are harder for girls than boys, so why are they turning away from protecting our girls? Feminism has no positive purpose for anyone, from my perspective.
I'm not disagreeing with the horrible violence against men, it seems more often the female violence is against women/girls. Feminism is silent to both.
Dec 30, 2022·edited Dec 30, 2022Liked by Janice Fiamengo
I had some experience with Violent girls when I was younger, i went to school until 2010 to get a time frame. Even when then it was already pretty common for them to first beat their victim and then run to whatever teacher was around and get them to punish the victim as well, as they had "provoked" the violence, this was especially true if the victim was a boy.
I've also seen female teachers actively supporting mobbing in classes, in one case one of the teachers left the room to avoid "seeing" the mobbing and be responsible for it.
In any case, at the same time most Male teachers, seem to be unable to act in any way against such behaviors, my guess is they try to avoid repercussions which would hit them harder but it's not so far off to imagine a lot of them are willing to accept this female behavior as most male feminist would, unable to see any behavior on the part of women and girls as problematic.
On the bright side, I have also seen great female teachers who were able to recognize the behavior of these students and acting accordingly to help victims of such an abuse, which was good to see even though they most likely do not have to fear the same treatment as a male would.
It's flabbergasting actually, my school years were not that long ago and I made friends with a lot of those who were bullied, I never liked such behavior, but for some reasons those, men now, are some of the most adherent feminists out there, some of them I lost as friends on the way because of my MRA activity.
In any case, that women and girls can be and are Violent is something everyone *does* know, I'm sure of it. When talking to older people especially, those who are living with a spouse for a long time, it always seemed to be common knowledge that women can be just as Vile as any men can be and everyone knows examples of exactly that happening.
So it's just puzzling to me how we can all pretend that this is some extremely uncommon occurrence or that women are always also victims when they are perpetrators.
It's just the Emperor's new clothes to the extreme.
I grew up in Montana and I can say that girls fighting or being violent has been a commonality of the cultures in Montana. I don't know why we are shocked or why we try to hide female violence. I guess maybe there could be some totally sheltered individuals out there in the world, but I don't know any. Humanuty is flawed, male and female!
What a chilling incident, but I can't say I'm surprised by the response offered by the feminist academic community. Feminism has long advanced that there are two simple rules to explain societal violence:
1) men and boys are violent; girls and women are their victims, and
2) in instances where girls or women are violent and their victims are male, see rule #1.
I very much appreciate and admire Dr. Fiamengo's crusade to foster a more sophisticated and more honest discourse on the complex relationship between gender and violence. It's upsetting that feminism has sought to "empower" girls by shielding them from responsibility for their behavior. Any power gained by eluding responsibility for one's actions is fundamentally fraudulent.
You left out one of the most heinous of all. Jasmine Richardson youngest person ever convicted of 1st degree murder in Canada. When she was 12 years old, she slit her little brother's throat.
Janice, this is great. Very happy to follow your substack. Anyone with any life experience at all should know that women/girls have just as much aggression as men/boys, it just manifests differently.
I have never had trouble believing in women's capacities for violence and cruelty, and never bought the feminist theory that if women ran the world, there'd be no wars. Unlike girls and women, who can hold interminable grudges, men and boys can develop friendship or admiration for an opponent after conflict has ended. I've always said that if women were in charge of war, there would be no such a thing as armistice. A woman general would be like, "Nope. All those witches have to die."
Janice urges us all, against our learned inclinations, to believe reality rather than the ideology and the slogans with which we have become comfortable. Feminist propagandists, including many teachers, professors, and journalists, prefer their fanciful stereotypes to reality, because successfully claiming the victim role guarantees privileges and benefits. It is not white males who are privileged, it is females. In our society, the feminists have won by obscuring reality.
Janice, it's stretching the credulity of your many fans, including myself, to say you were ever a "mean girl". Clearly a case of False Memory Syndrome...
"the recent murder of a homeless man in downtown Toronto by a group of teenagers, all female, who were looking for an alcohol-fueled good time. "
Prohibition should never have been lifted. And it was women, some would today describe as "feminist", who were the backbone of that movement. Alcohol is the worst drug on the planet that does the most damage.
<b><i>The statement is startling in its misplaced sympathy.</i></b>
It calls to mind the oft heard statement that the real victims of false rape accusations are genuine victims of rape, who are less likely to be believed. Sickening, isn't it.
I found myself getting more and more dejected as I read this. What Janice exposes is so powerful that it literally blinds people to see what is actually happening. This is the force that feminists have unscrupulously wielded for decades. No one sees it. It's an invisible wrecking ball.
Really appreciate your honest telling of your teen experience. So rare to hear a 1st person account and so helpful. Thank you.
It's hard to imagine you as a high school mean girl Janice, but thankfully you outgrew it. And thanks for the links and references to female violence. Here's some for you and others:
Bibi Ayesha is a warlord in Afghanistan:
https://newrepublic.com/article/119772/my-night-afghanistans-only-female-warlord-commander-pigeon
The women of the May 19th Communist Organization bombed the U.S. Capitol: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/
An overview of German women's murderous antisemitism during the Third Reich: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2432620/Hitlers-Furies-The-Nazi-women-bit-evil-men.html
White women as arbiters of slavery in the United States:
https://news.berkeley.edu/2019/10/25/white-women-slaveholders-q-a/
This barely scratches the surface but hopefully it's enough of a peek into the wickeder side of women.
Love you!
In 7th grade we had a girl bullied by girls into suicide. The principle read her suicide note to the class, hard to believe I know, and gave us a stern warning. I remember helping her fend off several girls in 6th grade. I believe threats and hard core bullying are harder for girls than boys, so why are they turning away from protecting our girls? Feminism has no positive purpose for anyone, from my perspective.
I'm not disagreeing with the horrible violence against men, it seems more often the female violence is against women/girls. Feminism is silent to both.
I had some experience with Violent girls when I was younger, i went to school until 2010 to get a time frame. Even when then it was already pretty common for them to first beat their victim and then run to whatever teacher was around and get them to punish the victim as well, as they had "provoked" the violence, this was especially true if the victim was a boy.
I've also seen female teachers actively supporting mobbing in classes, in one case one of the teachers left the room to avoid "seeing" the mobbing and be responsible for it.
In any case, at the same time most Male teachers, seem to be unable to act in any way against such behaviors, my guess is they try to avoid repercussions which would hit them harder but it's not so far off to imagine a lot of them are willing to accept this female behavior as most male feminist would, unable to see any behavior on the part of women and girls as problematic.
On the bright side, I have also seen great female teachers who were able to recognize the behavior of these students and acting accordingly to help victims of such an abuse, which was good to see even though they most likely do not have to fear the same treatment as a male would.
It's flabbergasting actually, my school years were not that long ago and I made friends with a lot of those who were bullied, I never liked such behavior, but for some reasons those, men now, are some of the most adherent feminists out there, some of them I lost as friends on the way because of my MRA activity.
In any case, that women and girls can be and are Violent is something everyone *does* know, I'm sure of it. When talking to older people especially, those who are living with a spouse for a long time, it always seemed to be common knowledge that women can be just as Vile as any men can be and everyone knows examples of exactly that happening.
So it's just puzzling to me how we can all pretend that this is some extremely uncommon occurrence or that women are always also victims when they are perpetrators.
It's just the Emperor's new clothes to the extreme.
I grew up in Montana and I can say that girls fighting or being violent has been a commonality of the cultures in Montana. I don't know why we are shocked or why we try to hide female violence. I guess maybe there could be some totally sheltered individuals out there in the world, but I don't know any. Humanuty is flawed, male and female!
What a chilling incident, but I can't say I'm surprised by the response offered by the feminist academic community. Feminism has long advanced that there are two simple rules to explain societal violence:
1) men and boys are violent; girls and women are their victims, and
2) in instances where girls or women are violent and their victims are male, see rule #1.
I very much appreciate and admire Dr. Fiamengo's crusade to foster a more sophisticated and more honest discourse on the complex relationship between gender and violence. It's upsetting that feminism has sought to "empower" girls by shielding them from responsibility for their behavior. Any power gained by eluding responsibility for one's actions is fundamentally fraudulent.
As a retired high school teacher, the concept of mean girls is not news to me.
Now that the victim has been identified, Ken Lee 59, a man of apparent Chinese/Asian origin, I wonder if the police will class this as a 'hate crime'.
You left out one of the most heinous of all. Jasmine Richardson youngest person ever convicted of 1st degree murder in Canada. When she was 12 years old, she slit her little brother's throat.
Janice, this is great. Very happy to follow your substack. Anyone with any life experience at all should know that women/girls have just as much aggression as men/boys, it just manifests differently.
Great work.
I have never had trouble believing in women's capacities for violence and cruelty, and never bought the feminist theory that if women ran the world, there'd be no wars. Unlike girls and women, who can hold interminable grudges, men and boys can develop friendship or admiration for an opponent after conflict has ended. I've always said that if women were in charge of war, there would be no such a thing as armistice. A woman general would be like, "Nope. All those witches have to die."
Janice urges us all, against our learned inclinations, to believe reality rather than the ideology and the slogans with which we have become comfortable. Feminist propagandists, including many teachers, professors, and journalists, prefer their fanciful stereotypes to reality, because successfully claiming the victim role guarantees privileges and benefits. It is not white males who are privileged, it is females. In our society, the feminists have won by obscuring reality.
Janice, it's stretching the credulity of your many fans, including myself, to say you were ever a "mean girl". Clearly a case of False Memory Syndrome...
Mike Buchanan
JUCTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
http://j4mb.org.uk
"the recent murder of a homeless man in downtown Toronto by a group of teenagers, all female, who were looking for an alcohol-fueled good time. "
Prohibition should never have been lifted. And it was women, some would today describe as "feminist", who were the backbone of that movement. Alcohol is the worst drug on the planet that does the most damage.
<b><i>The statement is startling in its misplaced sympathy.</i></b>
It calls to mind the oft heard statement that the real victims of false rape accusations are genuine victims of rape, who are less likely to be believed. Sickening, isn't it.