Feb 19, 2023·edited Feb 19, 2023Liked by Janice Fiamengo
I kept thinking as I was reading this "Don't girls go to bars with a girlfriend or two?" Wouldn't a friend be able to verify an attack and also drag the drugged friend home safely? This whole thing seems to depend on women being alone. Maybe I am way out of date....but when I was involved in bars women would always come with a friend or two, or a guy or two. Maybe things have changed?
Ladies, want to feel safe? Why not go to the bar with a male friend? All of the hoopla about women can do anything men can do, seems to fall apart here.
Thanks Janice for exposing this. I had never heard a thing about it.
Hypodermic needles and syringes are big, and the volume of fluid needed to be injected is around 1 millilitre. Even using the smallest needle size which is 25 gauge they are very easily bent and still sting when the skin is penetrated.
To get through layers of clothing the 25 gauge needs to be long, not a short one that diabetics use. After injection if not directly into a vein, it can take up to 40 minutes for the drug to take effect.
Those complainants with a negative toxicology report should be charged with wasting police time. Similarly, the penalties for demonstrably false accusations against another person should be increased and enforced. Many women in particular seem to have no qualms about using false claims as a weapon and/or to garner sympathy from a society predisposed to believe them.
Yet anyone who’s ever witnessed the Fear & Loathing-like atmosphere of a typical UK meat market nightclub on a weekend could only laugh at the silliness of it all. Shame on the police for actually wasting time and manpower on this instead of just saying “Dear, that wasn’t some evil stranger’s doing - that was 12 tequilas on an empty stomach in a 100 lbs frame”. But God forbid British millennials should ever be called out on behaving irresponsibly or (gasp) having a drinking problem.
Fascinating analysis by Janice, as always. It is terrifying how easily women are able to cook up yet one more example of men's evil doings. And always there are male authorities willing to indulge in virtue signalling by condemning other men. What a sick world we live in.
For some reason, this reminds me of the 'recovered memories' craze of the 1990s. Some therapists persuaded their clients to 'remember' things that never happened.
If they can produce some credible evidence of this, then I support the authorities in hunting down the perpetrators, in giving them whatever resources they need. But until then I'm saying that this is just another feminist-fueled hysteria to justify further persecution of men.
The common factor in outbreaks of public hysteria is.....wait for it......women. Not surprising that they are so much loved by advertisers. It is just too easy to whip them up in to an irrational mob.
IF this was actually a thing, there would be plenty of evidence, both physical and videotape, and lots of witnesses. It sounds exactly like the hysteria associated with the Salem Witch Trials.
Here in the UK the recent moral panic you referred to was in fact the third here since the turn of the century. There have in fact been no prosecutions for a crime committed in this way. Though there have been a small number of prosecutions for "spiking" drinks. Apart from anything else it would be a completely useless MO as in no case was the supposed "victim" harassed or assaulted. I do wonder if the most recent flowering of this urban myth in the UK might have been kicked off by the case of a gay serial killer who befriended and lured young gay men to his flat and did inject some of his victims to sedate them. Of course this is a very different scenario to randomly injecting people in a bar. As always some hapless policewoman got into hot water for suggesting the most likely scenario, that the reason for the symptoms were simply that the women had underestimated the volume of spirits they had consumed. As with supposed "spiking" of drinks there is little need to undertake any complicated procedure as there is a common behaviour of drinking spirits prior to going out and consuming spirits in cocktails. A predator need take no pains or risks to find "out of it" girls, or boys.
As I say there is no recorded case of such spiking being prosecuted in the UK nor of an assault involving such a spiking being prosecuted. And when i researched it there had been just over 100 cases of drinks spiking and assault over that 20 year period.
Thank you for this wonderful article, Dr. Fiamengo. Very astute observations and well-supported arguments. I've long been fascinated by feminism's attempts to regulate an economy of victimhood so that women will always be "the haves" and men "the have-nots." Much like other regulatory bodies--such as the Federal Reserve in the United States--that seek to stabilize or strengthen currencies by adjusting interest rates, the regulators of the value that feminism wants to place on victimhood seem to view fear as a tool that they can manipulate to ratchet victimhood into the range where it optimizes perceptions of the pitiable female victim at the hands of the scurrilous male oppressor. I'm sure they're also emboldened by the custom of allowing regulatory bodies to act with a high degree of impunity: few investigators or media agencies--aside from people like Dr. Fiamengo--will call them out on their ruthless, senseless, and generally deplorable tactics.
Feb 20, 2023·edited Feb 20, 2023Liked by Janice Fiamengo
Other than the fact that the needle spiking accusation targets all males at large rather than a specific accused, this seems to be a hysteria not unlike past hysterias. They always seem to serve the interests of some powerful class against a powerless class of victims who are portrayed as perpetrators.
It reminds me of the daycare sex-abuse hysteria and the satanic ritual hysteria of the 1980s and 1990s which sent innocent people to prison, took children from loving parents and put them in foster care, and destroyed countless lives (think Wenatchee, WA, McMartin preschool in Los Angeles, Fells Acre daycare in Malden, MA, Wee Care in NJ, Little Rascals in NC, etc., etc.), all in service of advancing the careers of local District Attorneys who climbed the ladder on the backs of the innocent people they prosecuted.
Not long before that was the "recovered memory" hysteria, which has since been conclusively shown by memory researchers, esp. Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, to have been implanted false memories.
And then there's the Blood Libel, the false accusation that Jews kidnap and kill Christian children because Christian blood is supposedly needed to make matzoh for Passover. (Have you ever seen a Passover matzoh? It's a cracker made of flour and water and nothing else.) But this false accusation has stoked hysteria among Christians throughout Europe for a millennium, resulting in Christians murdering untold numbers of Jews. The skeletons of one set of Jewish victims of such a Christian-perpetrated massacre were recently found at the bottom of a well in Norwich, England. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bones-found-in-medieval-well-likely-belong-to-victims-of-anti-semitic-massacre-180980692/) Among other motivations, murders of Jews throughout Europe in the Middle Ages enabled the looting of their property by their Christian neighbors.
Stoking hysteria to amplify the number of false accusations always serves the interests of the powerful. In the case of the needle-spiking hysteria, the powerful are the MeToo types who gain power by feigning victimization.
I kept thinking as I was reading this "Don't girls go to bars with a girlfriend or two?" Wouldn't a friend be able to verify an attack and also drag the drugged friend home safely? This whole thing seems to depend on women being alone. Maybe I am way out of date....but when I was involved in bars women would always come with a friend or two, or a guy or two. Maybe things have changed?
Ladies, want to feel safe? Why not go to the bar with a male friend? All of the hoopla about women can do anything men can do, seems to fall apart here.
Thanks Janice for exposing this. I had never heard a thing about it.
Hypodermic needles and syringes are big, and the volume of fluid needed to be injected is around 1 millilitre. Even using the smallest needle size which is 25 gauge they are very easily bent and still sting when the skin is penetrated.
To get through layers of clothing the 25 gauge needs to be long, not a short one that diabetics use. After injection if not directly into a vein, it can take up to 40 minutes for the drug to take effect.
Those complainants with a negative toxicology report should be charged with wasting police time. Similarly, the penalties for demonstrably false accusations against another person should be increased and enforced. Many women in particular seem to have no qualms about using false claims as a weapon and/or to garner sympathy from a society predisposed to believe them.
Yet anyone who’s ever witnessed the Fear & Loathing-like atmosphere of a typical UK meat market nightclub on a weekend could only laugh at the silliness of it all. Shame on the police for actually wasting time and manpower on this instead of just saying “Dear, that wasn’t some evil stranger’s doing - that was 12 tequilas on an empty stomach in a 100 lbs frame”. But God forbid British millennials should ever be called out on behaving irresponsibly or (gasp) having a drinking problem.
Fascinating analysis by Janice, as always. It is terrifying how easily women are able to cook up yet one more example of men's evil doings. And always there are male authorities willing to indulge in virtue signalling by condemning other men. What a sick world we live in.
For some reason, this reminds me of the 'recovered memories' craze of the 1990s. Some therapists persuaded their clients to 'remember' things that never happened.
When I saw the sign in the first photograph, I first read it as 'We Deserve To Feel Special'. I think THAT is the true meaning behind this movement.
If they can produce some credible evidence of this, then I support the authorities in hunting down the perpetrators, in giving them whatever resources they need. But until then I'm saying that this is just another feminist-fueled hysteria to justify further persecution of men.
I have literally never heard of this. And I can only agree with what Janice has written, sounds like just hysteria and moral panic.
The common factor in outbreaks of public hysteria is.....wait for it......women. Not surprising that they are so much loved by advertisers. It is just too easy to whip them up in to an irrational mob.
IF this was actually a thing, there would be plenty of evidence, both physical and videotape, and lots of witnesses. It sounds exactly like the hysteria associated with the Salem Witch Trials.
As a precaution against drink spiking, all women should pay for and handle their own drinks on dates. You know it makes sense...
As for 'needle spiking', let's follow covid social distancing rules and keep two metres apart at all times on the date. Problem solved!
Here in the UK the recent moral panic you referred to was in fact the third here since the turn of the century. There have in fact been no prosecutions for a crime committed in this way. Though there have been a small number of prosecutions for "spiking" drinks. Apart from anything else it would be a completely useless MO as in no case was the supposed "victim" harassed or assaulted. I do wonder if the most recent flowering of this urban myth in the UK might have been kicked off by the case of a gay serial killer who befriended and lured young gay men to his flat and did inject some of his victims to sedate them. Of course this is a very different scenario to randomly injecting people in a bar. As always some hapless policewoman got into hot water for suggesting the most likely scenario, that the reason for the symptoms were simply that the women had underestimated the volume of spirits they had consumed. As with supposed "spiking" of drinks there is little need to undertake any complicated procedure as there is a common behaviour of drinking spirits prior to going out and consuming spirits in cocktails. A predator need take no pains or risks to find "out of it" girls, or boys.
As I say there is no recorded case of such spiking being prosecuted in the UK nor of an assault involving such a spiking being prosecuted. And when i researched it there had been just over 100 cases of drinks spiking and assault over that 20 year period.
Thank you for this wonderful article, Dr. Fiamengo. Very astute observations and well-supported arguments. I've long been fascinated by feminism's attempts to regulate an economy of victimhood so that women will always be "the haves" and men "the have-nots." Much like other regulatory bodies--such as the Federal Reserve in the United States--that seek to stabilize or strengthen currencies by adjusting interest rates, the regulators of the value that feminism wants to place on victimhood seem to view fear as a tool that they can manipulate to ratchet victimhood into the range where it optimizes perceptions of the pitiable female victim at the hands of the scurrilous male oppressor. I'm sure they're also emboldened by the custom of allowing regulatory bodies to act with a high degree of impunity: few investigators or media agencies--aside from people like Dr. Fiamengo--will call them out on their ruthless, senseless, and generally deplorable tactics.
Other than the fact that the needle spiking accusation targets all males at large rather than a specific accused, this seems to be a hysteria not unlike past hysterias. They always seem to serve the interests of some powerful class against a powerless class of victims who are portrayed as perpetrators.
It reminds me of the daycare sex-abuse hysteria and the satanic ritual hysteria of the 1980s and 1990s which sent innocent people to prison, took children from loving parents and put them in foster care, and destroyed countless lives (think Wenatchee, WA, McMartin preschool in Los Angeles, Fells Acre daycare in Malden, MA, Wee Care in NJ, Little Rascals in NC, etc., etc.), all in service of advancing the careers of local District Attorneys who climbed the ladder on the backs of the innocent people they prosecuted.
Not long before that was the "recovered memory" hysteria, which has since been conclusively shown by memory researchers, esp. Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, to have been implanted false memories.
And then there's the Blood Libel, the false accusation that Jews kidnap and kill Christian children because Christian blood is supposedly needed to make matzoh for Passover. (Have you ever seen a Passover matzoh? It's a cracker made of flour and water and nothing else.) But this false accusation has stoked hysteria among Christians throughout Europe for a millennium, resulting in Christians murdering untold numbers of Jews. The skeletons of one set of Jewish victims of such a Christian-perpetrated massacre were recently found at the bottom of a well in Norwich, England. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bones-found-in-medieval-well-likely-belong-to-victims-of-anti-semitic-massacre-180980692/) Among other motivations, murders of Jews throughout Europe in the Middle Ages enabled the looting of their property by their Christian neighbors.
Stoking hysteria to amplify the number of false accusations always serves the interests of the powerful. In the case of the needle-spiking hysteria, the powerful are the MeToo types who gain power by feigning victimization.
Strong, empowered women demanding the Patriarchy protect them!
I wonder will it be female police officers who have to tackle these villains?